Wednesday, June 06, 2007

Princess Diana documentary : Channel 4 is right to proceed - update after the programme



Channel 4 is under fire for insisting on screening the forthcoming documentary on Princess Diana, against the wishes of the Royal Family.
Channel 4 says:

“For ten years conspiracy theories, claims and counter-claims have obscured what actually happened that night. Did the photographers chase Diana to her death in the Pont d'Alma tunnel? Were they too busy taking pictures to call the emergency services and did their presence hinder those services? They had witnessed and recorded one of the most terrible and iconic moments of the 20th century. But for ten years that night has plagued their lives..

…For one night the press photographs became the most expensive ever, but when Diana died they became worthless. Those who possessed them were hounded and for some their careers destroyed. The photographers have never felt able to tell their side of the story... until now.
The balance between freedom of speech and prurient intrusion into people’s private lives is not easy. Dr Crippen's first reaction to this documentary was that it should not be shown, but I have changed my mind. The unexpected death of the then most prominent member of the Royal Family is a matter of legitimate public interest. Princess Diana was a skillful manipulator of the media. That was the game, her game, and it was a game she mastered. She would expect to be pursued by journalists. On many occasions she welcomed the pursuit.

The journalists were blamed for her death. They were scapegoated. The public outcry was led by the very people who bought the tabloid pap from which the paparazzi earned their living. If any one is to blame, it is not the journalists. It is the prurient general public. It is right that we hear the journalists' side of the story.

I sympathise with the Princes, but they do not have to watch the programme.

Let us not forget that for many years, the public blamed Mrs Parker-Bowles for the death of Princess Diana. Had there not been a “third person” in the marriage, who knows what might have happened. Currently, the Prince of Wales is employing some of the most sophisticated media advisers in the world to re-brand the Duchess of Cornwall. As anyone who saw the unctuous "documentary" on her last week, it is clear that the Prince is manipulating a receptive media to make his second wife “acceptable” to the public as a future Queen of England.

This odd, introverted socio-pathic family cannot expect the media only to present issues to their liking. Princess Diana is and always will be in the public domain. They must take the rough with the smooth.

From the medical standpoint, Princess Diana’s tragic death raises a much more important question. The question being, to lapse into jargon, whether the ambulance service should “scoop and run” or “stay and play”.

Princess Diana had sustained catastrophic internal chest injuries. In particular, she had ruptured her pulmonary vein, the vein that takes blood back from the lungs to the heart. It is likely, whatever treatment she had received, that she would not have survived.

A passing doctor was with her within a minute or two, and a fully equipped trauma team was there within fifteen minutes. They “stayed and played”. It was nearly two hours before she was in the operating theatre of a Paris Hospital. Predictably enough, it has been argued that had they “scooped and run” she might have survived. Maybe so. But if they had “scooped and run”, and she had died in the ambulance, the counter argument would have been advanced.

The issue is discussed in detail in:

Death Of A Princess, Did Princess Diana Have To Die?:
A Case Study In French Emergency Medicine

What happens in the UK?

There is an increasing amount of “stay and play” carried out by paramedics well versed in play techniques, but not well enough trained in diagnosis.

Ten years ago, the BMJ reported:
This debate over scoop and run or stay and play serves only to perpetuate the winging of the pendulum. There is likely to be no single answer for the care of the critically injured. Each patient needs individual assessment of his or her needs. Paramedics have been restricted by protocols, which are often inflexible, because their training has not been broad enough to allow more flexible guidelines. Doctors have also tended to overestimate the skills of paramedics.

The involvement of doctors at accident scenes, however, continues to be mostly on a voluntary basis through the BASICS (British Association for Immediate Care) schemes.
We looked at BASICs a while ago. A well-meaning lot, but you have to giggle. What other country would dumb down on site traumatology to a group of amateur volunteers?

GPs are universally hopeless in traumatological “blood, artery, spurt” situations, but they do have diagnostic medical skills. Paramedics have practical skills, but do not have real diagnostic skills and so often underestimate the need for accurate diagnosis. When called to a domestic medical emergency by the family doctor, paramedics can be a real problem. Dr Crippen has had one patient who died as a result of “stay and play” when he had instructed the paramedics to “scoop and run” but was ignored.

Paramedics increasingly now make decisions about who should and should not be taken into hospital. This is all part of the NHS cost cutting and, dear God, they do get called to some nonsense. Even so, sometimes they get it badly wrong. If you are going to “stay and play” you need more skills than the average ambulance brings to market.

Like many family doctors, Dr Crippen has reached the stage that, if he were taken suddenly and seriously ill but was still compos mentis, he would get a family member or friend to drive him to the nearest hospital rather than take his chances with an ambulance full of paramedics who wanted to “stay and play”.

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Follow up at 10.00 pm Wednesday 6th June
This was a responsible and important documentary. It was not primarily about Princess Diana or Dodi Al Fayed. It was about the photographers who were subjected to an authority instituted and media supported lynching. Locked up without charge for over two days. Two years later they were formally cleared. Mohamed Al Fayed pursued an action against them for breach of privacy and was awarded derisory damages.

It seems most likely that the cause of this accident was mundane. A drunken chauffeur driving too fast in a built up area.

Having seen the programme I am convinced that it was reasonable and appropriate for it to be shown. It was carefully edited with nothing prurient or too intrusive. My only criticism is that the photographers, for all their faults, should not have had to wait ten years for their story to be told.

From the medical point of view, I still do not know if "stay and play" was superior to "scoop and run" but I suspect the latter would have had more chance of success. It would be interesting to hear Tom Reynold's views on that.

29 Comments:

Anonymous Incandenza said...

"I sympathise with the Princes, but they do not have to watch the programme."

That's pretty much my view.

The line from the Princes is that they are no different to ordinary people and are not asking for special treatment but that just doesn't wash. Documentaries regularly consider the circumstances of deaths.

Good to see that Cameron has called for the programme to be withdrawn (despite not having seen it).

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for some common sense! The woman is, tragically, dead. The only people who have the right to mourn her are those who knew her. Her sons have the right to express their opinion that they don't want this shown. I am not interested in seeing the pictures and will therefore not watch. Not difficult! I do not need to see how a woman in a car with a drunk driver and no seatbelt on dies.

Channel 4 would not be showing this if they could not sell the intervening advertising space for so much money as so many people will be watching. If we stopped watching rubbish and stopped buying newspapers with rubbish in - maybe we could get some decent news reporting?

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree with the need to broadcast the documentary. Channel 4 is in my opinion taking a cavalier approach under the guise of 'public interest'. I do not feel it is in the publics interest; it is what the public is interested in.

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:45:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

BASICS are actually pretty useful in the right situation. I don't think it necessarily matters if you have someone from an A&E background or who's a GP - the skills & knowledge required to manage a patient in the pre-hospital phase share almost no features with those in the in-hospital phase.

Anecdotally, I think that far more inappropriate "stay and play" is carried out by doctors (especially those who are normally hospital based) at the scene than by paramedics.

The way to fix it? Paramedic education is already moving into the university. Make all new paramedics take a degree, give them broad based medical education, and give them true clinical freedom. Most of them know what needs to be done half the time anyway, but end up caught up in protocol.

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:53:00 PM  
Anonymous John paramedic said...

As a Paramedic I agree with most of what you say, I groan as some of my colleagues sit on the side of the road with seriously ill patients. But our training has now rapidly moved on from 10 years ago, we are now taught to scoop and treat, not stay and play.

I find it sad to read of the medical treatment the Princess received. It was drummed into my head on a trauma course that you stay on scene only if the patient is trapped, otherwise you should be gone within 10 minutes of arrival.

Please do not tar us all with the same brush, I am not a quacktitioner, I am a high speed taxi driver with a few advanced skills. The dumbing down of the NHS also appalls stretcher monkeys like me.

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:57:00 PM  
Anonymous dino-nurse said...

HAving seen what paramedics in the US were able to do over a decade ago, I'm not suprised that the UK has decided to try to follow. The difference being that the US had a readymade workforce consisting of army medics with pretty decent battlefield trauma skills (due mainly to the many "police actions" that they are so fond of coupled with national subscription during the 1960s and 1970s). There was also a mass exodus of skilled nursing staff who had had enough of being messed around by the hospital system. As usual the UK is trying to do the same on the cheap. Having worked in A&E I have seen cases where "stay and play" has helped and others where it caused more problems....the same can be said of "scoop and run". I agree that maybe the best way forward is to increase the skills of the paramedics- at the very least we need to increase the number of paramedic crews.

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:39:00 PM  
Anonymous JG said...

Who has actually seen this programme? Almost no-one has yet we all seem to have an opinion about it. Once again parts of the the media have whipped everyone up in to a frenzy and large sections of us are saying don't show it. I predict when it is shown most of us will wonder what the fuss was about. How you call to ban something when you have no idea what you calling for to be benned?

The media has every right to expree their desire for it to be banned, but so far all on hearsay and that is not enough.

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Cynic said...

Your comments on the BASICs doctors shows your absolute lack of knowledge on their skills and role in pre-hospital care.

Yes, they would not at all be interested in 'playing' with your aneurysm patient... but I'm sure you, mangled in a car or on your head after falling down the stairs, would really like them to be there.

BASICs training is extensive and exhaustive. Please learn about it and stop denigrating -yet another- group of professionals.

(COI: Not a BASICS doc, flatmate was.

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Sir William Harvey (Dec'd) said...

Erm... John, have you not heard of HEMS (the London Air Ambulance / rapid response car team)? They take appropriately trained specialist doctors to the trauma site, with sufficient equipment to perform major procedures such as a clamshell thoracotomy. As for their success rate, I recall a lecture where one of them (now a surgical consultant) claimed he was "beating Our Lord five-four", so they appear to be doing something right...

The decision to scoop and run or stay and play must surely depend on the patient's clinical condition and the resources available; be careful not to confuse who does what at the roadside, though. I don't imagine paramedics are opening chests unsupported...

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:27:00 AM  
Blogger MOTHER OF MANY said...

As far as the documentary is concerned I feel it should be shown but I feel that the 'pictures' that the documentary makers want to show serve no purpose and so I will not watch the program.
I agree with your views on 'stay and play' and 'scoop and run' and would also want to be taken directly to hospital rather than wait at home. I believe paramedics are very well trained and do a wonderful job but what they can do is limited.My husband died in his early 40's and the paramedics worked on him for 40 minutes before taking him to hospital.He had an internal injury that they could not have known about and even if he had gone to the hospital straight away he would still have almost certainly died.Looking back however I think I would still have rather they had taken him straight to the hospital and given him that extra chance.

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:01:00 AM  
Anonymous HCW said...

"Like many family doctors, Dr Crippen has reached the stage that, if he were taken suddenly and seriously ill but was still compos mentis, he would get a family member or friend to drive him to the nearest hospital rather than take his chances with an ambulance full of paramedics who wanted to “stay and play”."

That's assuming you would, actually, get an ambulance full of paramedics:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/ uklate...6559415,00.html - minister makes paramedics admission

"A Government minister has admitted in a television programme which criticises the ambulance service that the most skilled staff are not always available to deal with emergencies.

Health Minister Andy Burnham's admission will be broadcast on ITV1's Tonight With Trevor McDonald.

The programme "999 Lottery" claims that the ambulance service is at crisis point because of a paramedic shortage and that a patient's chance of being treated by a paramedic is based on a 'postcode lottery'..."

have put this in Haloscan as the link works from there

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous American MD said...

Do the ambulance crew check on whether or not the patient is a smoker before they transport, or is that aspect of triage left to the hospital?

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous B Berejan MD said...

A famous EMS study in the US looking at method of transport to the hospital in penetrating trauma had a very embarrassing outcome. When looking at paramedic transport and stay and play versus load and go, the BEST method was "home boy" transport. When the victim was rushed to the Trauma Center by his "home boys" instead of waiting for an ambulance at all....

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:38:00 PM  
Anonymous JG said...

MOTHER OF MANY said...
"I feel that the 'pictures' that the documentary makers want to show serve no purpose and so I will not watch the program."

How do know what pictures the programme makers want to show? You haven't seen them. How can you know you don't want to see something without knowing what it is?

As far as I can tell, there will nothing graphic, nothing obvious and nothing prolonged. I have not heard or seen any evidence to the contrary

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 3:33:00 PM  
Blogger MOTHER OF MANY said...

To jg
thank you for querying how I know what photographs will be shown on the Diana documentary.If you go on to the channel 4 web site you will find a description of the photographs to be used.Channel 4 has had the courtesy to explain prior to the release of the documentary what photographs will be used and their reasoning for showing them.

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:38:00 PM  
Anonymous jayann said...

Some photographs will be of the scene inside the tunnel but in none of the pictures is it possible to identify Diana or indeed any of the crash victims. We do not show, nor have
motherofmany, I went to the Channel 4 web page, here's what they say

Some photographs will be of the scene inside the tunnel but in none of the pictures is it possible to identify Diana or indeed any of the crash victims. We do not show, nor have we ever considered showing, Diana’s final moments. One image has been appropriately obscured to avoid any unwarranted intrusion into their privacy or that of their families. This photograph has featured in the British press previously.

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:50:00 PM  
Anonymous jayann said...

oh sorry, my comment should begin with 'mother of many'

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 5:52:00 PM  
Blogger MOTHER OF MANY said...

Yes I read that too but they also say

the letter sent on Friday 1st June 2007, requested on The Princes’ behalf that Channel 4 remove from the programme several images depicting the crashed car while The Princess was still in the wreckage, and an image of a medic clearly administering emergency treatment (to The Princess) in an ambulance.

I just do not feel it necessary for me to see anything like this, if any body else wants to see it then that is their choice.

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 6:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ B Berejan MD

Do you have a reference for the "home boy" transport thing? I don't doubt you, I'd just like to read about it myself.


..........arf

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 6:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your comments about BASICS are not only completely unfounded, they demonstrate a thorough lack of understanding of the role they play. You mention 'dumbing down' and 'amateur volunteers' - have you any real concept of the training BASICS doctors receive and the difference they make in the prehospital environment?
In addition, one of the other comments points to the work of HEMS London. The evidence is clear on this one, even more so than that of BASICS.
I suggest that whilst your argument about 'scoop and run' vs 'stay and play' may be applicable in certain environments, the addition of doctors working within the prehospital environment is not only something which is evolving, but something which is hugely important.

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:25:00 PM  
Blogger Pogo said...

It might be worth reminding everyone that the only survivor of that crash was the only one who was wearing a seatbelt - despite his being in the "suicide seat".

Had they been belted, Al Fayed and Princess Diana would have walked away from that shunt.

Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Craig D said...

Again, I hardly think the Doctors vs Ambulance is helpful.

If I were in a crash, I'd rather have the paramedic used to the chaos of an accident scene than a doctor who is used to their patients lying nicely on a bed.

And, from my experience, if I developed chest pain while at the GP I'd have to make a special effort to request the appropriate treatment, rather than being sat in the waiting room.

I heard a great story from a crew I work with - there was a collapse, ?cardiac arrest in the carpark of the ED. About 8 or 9 ED doctors and nurses rushed out to stand around the pt - and no one had brought any equipment. Turned out not to be an arrest.

Every paramedic I've met knows their limitations and that of their ambulance. We know we don't have the range of expertise or equipment available to deal with a patient alone. That's why we take patients to hospitals (and doctors).

But I think doctors should recognise that paramedics have skills that they don't have. It's very well for an arrogant doctor to shit on an ambulance crew that brings in a patient - would be nice to see how well they do upside down with a trapped patient in a muddy ditch.

In an acutely life threatening situation, I know who I'd want in my corner.

Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Sir William Harvey (Dec'd) said...

"If I were in a crash, I'd rather have the paramedic used to the chaos of an accident scene than a doctor who is used to their patients lying nicely on a bed."

I quite agree; but as with the rest of your comment, this is about 15 years out of date, at least in some parts of the country. Acute trauma is an emerging medical speciality in itself; that includes taking trained doctors with a sizeable amount of equipment to the roadside. In those circumstances, "stay and play" may be appropriate.

In an acutely life threatening trauma situation, I'd rather have the HEMS team, including a specialist trauma doctor...

Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Craig D said...

Yeah, well should I have a crash, I'd prefer it to be through the wall of the OR, with a nice ejection onto the operating table :-)

I'm talking from a New Zealand perspective - almost no emergency response physicians here.

HEMS is taking physicians and giving them the scene management and "road" skills of paramedics - a great solution and where we do have that in New Zealand the docs respect the paramedics and vice versa.

What I took exception to was the assertion (in this and in other posts) that paramedics are "lorry drivers in green jump suits, who have been through a weekend course"

Specialised emergency response physicians are fantastic - and no ambulance officer would try to say they were superior to a physician trained for the ambulance environment.

But ambulance officers aren't monkeys who can barely work out which end of an IV cannula to stick in a patient.

I'm sure John wouldn't want me to judge him based on the shoddy care I've seen dispensed by many GPs (who have the big long medical degrees) - it would be courteous that he do the same for the ambulance profession.

Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to let you know, your link to Tom Reynolds goes to Al Fayed's website.

Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger domino said...

I've just watched the programme. The photo that seems to have everyone up in arms isn't that bad. It is grainy, in black and white, and aside from the doctor who is wearing white, everything is very dark. The only thing you can make out is the bottom part of an oxygen mask (I'm not a medic, but it looks a bit like a nebuliser). You can only make out the Princess if you have a good imagination.

Hope that helps people who don't want to watch it.

Friday, June 08, 2007 8:19:00 AM  
Anonymous AmbulanceMonkey said...

All the ambulance staff I know are extremely adept at sorting the 'big sick' from the 'little sick' (and the not sick at all ) whether in trauma or medical jobs. We don't (and shouldn't) need to come up with a definitive diagnosis - a list of differentials and a solid understanding of the life threats is what we work with.

Out here, if we stay it's because we need to stabilise the patient before our (typically) 45-60 min journey to hospital. This might mean splintage, analgesia, fluids, drugs, whatever. A lot can be done en-route but it's well worth waiting a minute to get good access before we put the pedal to the metal, rather than just turning up to hospital a bit sooner with a corpse.

On the subject of basics docs, some good some very, very bad! The best ones are the ED docs, anaesthetists, intensiveists etc and, as Dr C says, the worst are the chubby GPs in the jumpsuits. In my experience they either do too much or too little - as paramedic skills increase I suspect they will be used less and less.

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous ecparamedic said...

Help me out here John......

You have linked the death of Diana to an incident that happened in your surgery to illustrate your point that Paramedics shouldn't be 'staying and playing'? Am I right so far?

My understanding of the Paris tunnel crash is that the first medical person on scene was a Dr, followed by Military medics and then a SAMU complete with onboard Dr. By my count that's at least two Docs, presumably running the show.

They 'stayed and played'.

Never in recent times have I seen a 'Big Sick' patient delayed on scene for a paramedic to mess about with, quite the opposite. An unstable, deteriorating patient gets blued into a facility that can provide definitive care.

I see your 'Taxi' posting has stirred up the boys and girls on the BWTS, not surprising really is it? You've been doing this long enough to know exactly what Ambulance staff will react to and that article pressed all those buttons very deliberately.

The initial post and those of a few more how have jumped on the bandwagon sadden me with the levels of pure contempt shown to fellow colleagues.

SD

Friday, June 29, 2007 1:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did Diana die?

She wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
The car she was travelling in was going too fast.
The driver of the car was fatigued, and under the influence of alcohol.

What a lethal combination. She should be used in road safety campaigns.

Monday, July 02, 2007 2:31:00 PM  

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