Andrew Wakefield, MMR, Autism and the GMC
Like it not, the MMR and Autism debate is once again about to explode into the public arena. Dr Crippen does not like it for, although I cannot fault the wishes of the medical profession and many others to call Andrew Wakefield to account, the process is going to give yet another airing to his unsustainable and discredited views.
The problem with Andrew Wakefield is that he is not mad.
It would much easier if he were. And he is not unqualified. It is easy to lampoon the likes of Patrick Holford, who founded the “Institute for Optimum Nutrition" and then awarded himself the Diploma of the Institute for Optimum Nutrition.
Andrew Wakefield is a qualified doctor, a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons and a Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists.
What did he do wrong?
Along with colleagues who should have known better, he submitted a “scientific” article to the Lancet. The editor of the Lancet, who should have know better, published it. Scientific articles in learned journals such as the Lancet are normally reviewed by experts (peer review) before publication.
Wakefield’s article was not properly peer reviewed.
To the layman – and in this case the layman is often a distraught parent desperate to find a reason for their child’s autism – the article is plausible.
Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in childrenSounds good, doesn’t it? Read it in full here. It describes some complicated science which someone without medical qualifications would find hard to understand. And it contains a little bombshell, all the more powerful for being understated.
A J Wakefield, S H Murch, A Anthony, J Linnell, D M Casson, M Malik, M Berelowitz, A P Dhillon
The original Watson and Crick article on the structure of DNA concludes with their now famous modest understatement,
"It has not escaped our notice that the specific pairing we have postulated immediately suggests a possible copying mechanism for the genetic material."Andrew Wakefield slipped in his now infamous “modest understatement.”
We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation.Both these "modest statements" reverberated around the world. One was utterly bogus. Even if it were accepted that the data upon which Wakefield based his paper was correct – and it was not – the conclusions he reached are unsustainable. Irresponsible and unsustainable. The fallacy of the incorrect syllogism. Temporal relationships do not prove causal relationships.
- I ate an apple and the next day it rained.
- I gave my child an immunisation and the next day he grazed his knee.
- I gave my child the MMR immunisation and the following month he was diagnosed as autistic.

Trisha Greenhalgh is a well-respected family doctor and academic, who writes regularly in the BMJ. Her particular interest is communication, clarity of expression and scientific honesty. If you read only one article on Wakefield, read this one (in full here)
In conclusion, the Wakefield study was scientifically flawed on numerous counts. I am surprised that neither the editor nor the reviewers spotted these flaws when the paper was submitted. Had they done so, the public would have been saved the confusion and anxiety caused by false credibility conveyed by publication of the study in this prestigious journal.It gets worse.
Professor Trisha Greenhalgh OBE MD FRCP FRCGP
There is a background suggestive of moral and financial corruption which has been extensively described by Brain Deer, the investigative journalist. Full details here.
It is this background, more than the incorrect conclusions, that has finally brought Andrew Wakefiled in front of the GMC. The GMC does not regard its remit as extending to arbitrating between competing scientific theories generated in the course of medical research.
The charges Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues face are about honesty and include:
- undertook research during the period 1996-98 without proper ethical approval
- failed to conduct the research in accordance with the application submitted to the ethics committee
- failed to treat the children admitted into the study in accordance with the terms of the approval given by the ethics committee.
- permitted a programme of investigations to be carried out on a number of children as part of the research study, some of which were not clinically indicated when the Ethics Committee had been assured that they were all clinically indicated. These investigations included colonoscopies and lumbar punctures. It is alleged that the performance of these investigations was contrary to the clinical interests of the children.
- acted dishonestly and irresponsibly in failing to disclose in the Lancet paper the method by which they recruited patients for inclusion in the research which resulted in a misleading description of the patient population in the Lancet paper.
- allegations that Dr Wakefield was involved in advising solicitors acting for persons alleged to have suffered harm by the administration of the MMR vaccine. It is alleged that Dr Wakefield’s conduct in relation to research funds obtained from the Legal Aid Board (“LAB”) was dishonest and misleading.
- allegations that Dr Wakefield failed to disclose his involvement in the MMR litigation, his receipt of funding from the LAB and his involvement in a Patent relating to a new vaccine to the Editor of the Lancet which was contrary to his duties as a senior author of the Lancet paper.
- allegations that Dr Wakefield acted unethically and abused his position of trust as a medical practitioner by taking blood from children at a birthday party to use for research purposes without ethics committee approval, in an inappropriate social setting, and whilst offering financial inducement. (see here)
Andrew Wakefield drew his “conclusions” from a study of 13 children. I prefer a more authoritative paper which studied 27,749 children.
METHODS. We surveyed 27 749 children born from 1987 to 1998 attending 55 schools from the largest Anglophone school board. Children with pervasive developmental disorders were identified by a special needs team. The cumulative exposure by age 2 years to thimerosal was calculated for 1987–1998 birth cohorts. Ethylmercury exposure ranged from medium (100–125 g) from 1987 to 1991 to high (200–225 g) from 1992 to 1995 to nil from 1996 onwards when thimerosal was entirely discontinued. Measles-mumps-rubella coverage for each birth cohort was estimated through surveys of vaccination rates. The immunization schedule included a measles-mumps-rubella single dose at 12 months of age up to 1995, and a second measles-mumps-rubella dose at 18 months of age was added on after 1996.They found no connection between MMR and autism.
They found no connection between mercury and autism.
And this was not a small study of thirteen children, or of a handful of children bribed to give blood samples at a birthday party. It was a study 27, 749 children born over an eleven year period.
The full paper can be read here.
I can understand, but not support, the angry parents who are desperate for something to “blame” for their child’s autism. I cannot understand, and I condemn, the sections of the media that continue to give Andrew Wakefield a supportive and sympathetic hearing.
Andrew Wakefield is mobilising his resources (considerable – see Brian Deer here) and his lawyers and will use the GMC hearing as a public forum to air his views. Even if he is struck off the medical register, to many people he will be a martyr.
And once again, I fear, the uptake of MMR will drop off and once again we will start seeing cases of measles and its occasional serious neuro-pathological sequelae.
There will be more deaths. Avoidable deaths.
What more can I say?
I could say that I have four teenage children and they have all had the MMR immunisation. Twice.
It would have helped if Tony and Cherie Blair had been able to say the same about young Leo, wouldn’t it?
But life is not like that.
Pier Revue
Measles
Sub-acute sclerosing pan encephalitis








39 Comments:
as discussed before the medical business does itself no favours, classic examples being Hemophiliacs infected with aids, diabetics having medication randomly changed by nurses with little explanation or idea of whats going on
if the medical business owned up to its own mistakes, was more honest about them, appologised, and stopped the "we are doctors trusts us" line - maybe maybe there would be hope
as it is nobody is gonna trust their medics cos the medic leadership allow fithly hospitals to remain open without saying a word
its a two way thing public trust
Have you seen Andrew Wakefield's interview in the Guardian the other day?
I don't think there's any link between Autism and MMR, and the whole affair has been utterly regrettable. There is absolutely no doubt that his research methods were flawed and the conclusions he drew are not supported by evidence. This, however, does not mean they're wrong.
Wakefield's point in the latest interview is not that he thinks there is a link, but that we can't prove there isn't. Despite what we may think of the man, he's absolutely right on that one.
I'm not sure at what threshold we ought to start looking for links between things. Obviously it would be silly to pick two things out of thin air and start to say we have to disprove a link. "Does watching the tellytubbies as a baby increase your risk of leukaemia?" or "Do people who have undergone an oesophogastroduodenoscopy for GI bleeding develop diabetes?" - these are silly. Is MMR & autism just as ridiculous? The negative reaction to Wakefield has pushed forward the agenda that it was. But 100 years ago, we'd have laughed away the suggestion that smoking caused lung cancer as equally silly.
I'm not an expert, and I genuinely believe there's no link, but that doesn't make me right any more than Wakefield. It is just a question of when we should start looking.
John,
"Wakefield's point in the latest interview is not that he thinks there is a link, but that we can't prove there isn't. Despite what we may think of the man, he's absolutely right on that one."
Yes, because you cannot prove a negative.
I was working on an Out of Hours shift last week and (unusually) pronounced 2 patients dead, both expected, both at home.
In both houses a TV was on in the living room when I went to talk to the family after examining the patient. In both cases the TV was tuned to ITV. So I put forward the hypothesis that having ITV on causes death in some individuals exposed to ITV.
Absolutely preposterous of course, but PROVE that I am wrong.
You cannot, you can look at a thousand deaths, or a million deaths, or 10 million households watching ITV (admittedly a bit far fetched that last one) or compare death rates/ages/causes in a country without access to ITV and never observe another two such cases as mine, but that would not, could not, prove that there is not a link between ITV exposure and death, it merely makes it less likely. And so with MMR and autism, it is impossible to prove a lack of a link.
All we can do is study large numbers of children with autism and look for connections to MMR and look at large numbers of children given MMR and look at rates of autism compared to similar children who did not get MMR. These studies have, as Dr C details, been done and no link has been found. On the other hand there are easily measured, large risks attached to having measles, mumps or rubella.
That's as good as it gets, but it is enough thankfully for over 80% of people and for virtually everyone who has seen a child die, or be brain damaged or deafened by measles or seen a baby with congenital rubella syndrome.
And, of course, the other fact not often credited to the Establishment in thrall to the big Pharma companies, is that no-one argues against more money and more research into the causes of and treatment for autism. Indeed it is another powerful argument against the MMR/autism link, that it is diverting research away from other, perhaps more fruitful areas.
"The problem with Andrew Wakefield is that he is not mad".
Yet more 'mad bashing' from Dr Crippen. I should just like to point out that Rachel Perkins is mad - she is also a highly respected clinician, a leader in her field. I don't think anyone has ever queried her medical judgement.
I believe that several Islamic scholars have examined the infidel practice known as "immunization" and issued fatwas pronouncing it un-Islamic.
That should close the question for Britainistan.
Allahu akbar!
The thing that bothers me about the whole MMR autism debate is that it no longer matters. What really matters is getting everyone vaccinated. Why can the government not just agree to single jabs for Measels, Mumps, Rubella and make it mandatory so no one has any excuse? Scrap the whole MMR autism debate now before its too late.
In addition, it makes mo sense to me why children are not getting routine TB vaccinations - the government says it is because the disease is minimally occuring outside London.
Has, anyone considered whether this is because mostly everyone until recently had been vaccinated. I paid for my kids to have a TB jab (individual jabs for MMR too). I was not going to take a risk that my kids were not properly vaccinated against killer diseases.
Here is the opening line of the Wiki entry on TB:
Tuberculosis (abbreviated as TB for Tubercle Bacillus) is a common and deadly infectious disease that is caused by mycobacteria, primarily Mycobacterium tuberculosis. ....Over one-third of the world's population now has the TB bacterium in their bodies and new infections are occurring at a rate of one per second.
Dr Crippen - any chance of a campaign on get TB vaccination reintroduced by the NHS as a cost effective preventative treatment?
I read that one Nigerian imam has pronounced a fatwa against immunisation against polio, halting the programme in Kano. (There was, there, no opposition to immunization in general.) I read also that the broader consensus in Islam approves of immunization (generally). In Bangladesh (a Muslim country) an agressive immunization policy has nearly eradicated polio.
see also
http://www.shirazi.org.uk/health%20&%20hygiene.htm
for further comment on the Nigerian fatwa see
http://www.blackherbals.com/editorials_and_commentaries.htm
see also
(Immunization programme now re-started in Kano)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9903EFDF1F3DF932A3575BC0A9629C8B63&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fR%2fReligion%20and%20Belief
but I think you'd rather rely on 'belief', americanmd.
Anonymous said...
"The problem with Andrew Wakefield is that he is not mad".
Yet more 'mad bashing' from Dr Crippen. I should just like to point out that Rachel Perkins is mad - she is also a highly respected clinician, a leader in her field. I don't think anyone has ever queried her medical judgement.
Monday, July 09, 2007 9:48:00 PM
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Anonymous, I don't know which "anonymous" you are, but you are a prick.
And an offensive one at that.
I don't DO "mad bashing".
I don't know who Rachel Perkins is either.
In the case of Andrew Wakefield, I mean "mad" in the vernacular, not in the psychiatric sense.
I am sorry if you have problems with the English language.
Andrew Wakefield is a man on a mission. He beleives in what he is doing. He may be wrong, but he is not MAD.
In fact, if it does not sound too corny, I know people who know Andrew Wakefield and the universal opinion from these people is that he is a nice guy.
If you can't say something sensible, then don't say anything at all.
John
Not very far into the future fMRI techniques will be used to spot signs of autism and Aspberger's syndrome in infants too young to have had any jabs.
I wonder what Wakefield will say then.
We had a measles jab at school (would be about 13, 14 years ago) after a scare about a measles outbreak. Within a few weeks my Crohn's Disease had become active. I've no idea whether it was coincidence or related but I'd be hesitant about having anothr measles jab. I would not however hesitate in giving the MMR jab to my children. I had it when I was small and it didn't harm me, my brother or in fact anyone else I know.
fMRI of pre-symptomatic infants can also be explained away by the short sighted. It would be difficult to DISPROVE that MMR vaccination in these children did not escalate clinical symptomatology from a latent state.
That is the problem with all science, to the lay public, a good spin doctor can use terminology to prove links with anything.
After some form of health scare or other in the 70's, neither my sister nor I were vaccinated against, well, anything (something to do with our aunt having reacted to something). This by the way was AGAINST the wishes of our parents, who would have had us vaccinated against the lot.
As I result, I have had mumps, measles, rubella, chicken pox, the lot. My sister too. I was fine, but my sister suffered greatly from measles. Media fueled "health scares" are dangerous. The media desire for "balance" can sometimes lead, alas, to extremely marginal views getting too much of a hearing. I don't know the solution, but a bit of media responsibility wouldn't go amiss. And some guidelines on reporting medical stories.
I have no difficulty in believing that Dr Wakefield is a charming chap.
Nonetheless, his "on a mission" sincerity is somewhat undercut by the obfuscation about the scale of his financial interests that were undisclosed until the Brian Deer FOI disclosure as recently as December 2006.
He did have the option of remaining at the Royal Free if he had replicated and validated his earlier work: he declined.
There is no satisfactory response, as yet, to Dr Chadwick's testimony that he informed Dr Wakefield that there were no confirmed positive results (it seems Dr Chadwick's account is confirmed by a contemporaneous mentor whom he consulted).
Dr Wakefield may have unswerving confidence in the integrity of his moral barometer but there are many questions about the origins/publication of that infamous paper that need to be answered. Courtesy of Prof. Bustin, we know that the Unigenetics results were useless. Courtesy of many others (including one of the other people in the hearings) it looks like there were never any findings of bowel inflammation and that scary-sounding ILNH is a common, typically benign, finding in children.
Refusing to reconsider your previous theories and findings in light of the above isn't being "on a mission", it's approaching denialism.
A propos the media coverage, to paraphrase a characteristially astute remark by Anthony Cox about the Japan study:
"The BBC and other mainstream media wouldn’t give the time of day to flat earthers, or Holocaust deniers. With the weight of evidence we have now on MMR, it’s time that they stopped giving a platform to the cult of MMR-vaccines-maybe-mercury-autism."
Shinga said...
I have no difficulty in believing that Dr Wakefield is a charming chap.
Nonetheless, his "on a mission" sincerity is somewhat undercut by the obfuscation about the scale of his financial interests that were undisclosed until the Brian Deer FOI disclosure as recently as December 2006.
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Shinga, I hold no brief for Andrew Wakefield, believe me. I wish he would go away (well, he has, sort of) and he wish he would be allowed to go away.
But it is both interesting and instructive to try to work out what is driving him.
Let as look at the options.
1. Maybe he is "mad". I mean that in the vernacular sense, not psychiatric. For example, I think that David Irving is "mad" in this sense and that is why he is largely ignored in this country, though not abroad.
2. Maybe he is evil, and is on a vendetta to harm children, to deliberately deprive them of protection against life threatening illnesses. The way some of the press vilifies him, you would think that he is evil in this way. I do not believe that, either.
3. Maybe he is just a crook on the make, a flogger of patent medicine, a spiv, a con man. We can all give examples of people like that - I have one in particular in mind but will not name him or I will be in trouble. I don't believe that of Wakefield either.
My reading of him is that he is a hugely intelligent, caring man who has lost his way. Who presented some shoddy research (that should never have been accepted by the Lancet in the first place) in which he honestly believes. He is now on his mission and, yes, is making a living out of it. If he is right, as he believes he is, why should he not make a living. And if he is right, why should he not cut a few corners. Sir Richard Branson cut a few legal corners in his early days.
I do not think he is right. But I been in medicine long enough to have had some Galileo like experiences in terms of changes in medical advice:
When I qualified, if I had put someone in heart failure on beta blockers, I would have been struck off. Now I might be struck off if I don't.
And then there is HRT...and many other things.
We defeat Wakefield by using scientific evidence not by media lynching.
Yes, I know that there are all sorts of questions about finances and consents and fudges but, believe me, it is a rare edition of the Lancet that does not have papers in it written by doctors who have supped extensively and surreptitiously at the Big Pharma table, who have had "honoraria" paid in brown envelopes under that same table. That does not make Wakefield right, or excuse him, but he is not alone. He was, if you like, unlucky that his bit of shoddy research was put under the microscope because of its effect on MMR uptake.
Have you ever seen Prof Tyer's short article in the BMJ about how Big Pharma got all the psychiatrists onto the SSRI bandwagon? Do you REALLY think these drugs are more effective than amitriptylline? Examples are legion. Wakefield merely got caught doing what everyone else does
Below the belt vilification - for example, publishing pictures of his expensive house in Kew as Brian Deer does - will not help to prove him wrong. On the contrary, it will allow him to claim, with justification, that he is being persecuted for his scientific beliefs.
The Cutter laboratories Salk vaccine tragedy still lives in peoples' minds and will not be eradicated by you and me talking of herd immunity and the good of the many.
We have to accept that many people are nervous about immunisations. They should not be, but they are.
The way to deal with Wakefield is to show that his theories are wrong.
John
Hang on a minute, a quick pubmed search reveals that Wakefield has pubilished other papers on the subject. Dr C how do you respond to those?
Potentilla recently used one of my favourite quotations (I forget her context): "I beseech you gentlemen, in the bowels of Christ, conceive it possible that
you may be mistaken."
In the UK, we have a number of examples where well-motivated, knowledgeable people were mistaken. You will know the ins, outs and fallout of the Wilson research far better than I do. Characteristically, Dr Fitzpatrick writes this up well. "Lord Justice Stuart-Smith subjected the case against whooping cough vaccine to the most rigorous scrutiny...
The judgment was highly critical of Dr Wilson (he was 'so completely committed to the view that the vaccine could cause brain damage that he was reluctant to re-examine evidence') and of other expert witnesses supporting the plaintiff's case against the vaccine."
As for criticising the science - a number of people, including bloggers, have done this. However, bloggers are not setting the media agenda here. The interview was set up with a journalist who usually covers sports and social issues; there have been previous interviews were it was (allegedly) stipulated that the interviewers who would be accepted were not those with any knowledge of medicine or MMR.
I think it is very difficult for journalists who are interested in the science to place those stories. The silence concerning the D' Souza paper was almost universal. So, if there is no interest in science stories, it is possible for the players in this drama to influence the media coverage so that it does emphasise the human drama, e.g., the Galileo gambit, the martyrdom, Pasteur etc.
I haven't seen much evidence of media lynching but I will look into it. I have seen Dr Wakefield lionised in the Daily Mail and given a very sympathetic interview in the Observer.
I can't comment on pieces where Dr Wakefield has been vilified as evil because I haven't seen any; however, I will look further. Similarly, I accept that they are there, but I haven't seen the photos of his house.
Although some mainstream media such as Private Eye have published standalone supplements about the MMR controversy, I doubt that any newspaper would publish a supplement that is dedicated to the rebuttal of it and concentrates on the science rather than the human drama.
No - I have never argued that SSRIs are uniformly more effective than the tricyclics for depression.
I'm happy to concentrate on the science; however, I know from past experience that you can disagree with somebody on one topic (No - MMR has never contained thiomersal) and then they move straight on to "Well, I'm convinced that MMR is linked to Crohn's Disease, asthma and allergies".
I think I am correct in saying that the first 3 sets of baby jabs no longer contain thimerosal. If this is the case why do the newer jabs not contain it?
Surely, the important point is that ALL children are vaccinated, and not HOW they are vaccinated? If parents want to 'play safe' - or at least think they are - by paying for single jabs, then what's the problem? I have heard that some parents are opting for single MMR now that Prevenar has been scheduled to be given at the same time as the MMR. Children are exposed to so many viruses naturally, then we add some more, who is to say how many the immune system can cope with?
Regarding SSRIs and amitriptylline - I talk from personal experience having been prescribed amitriptylline by a GP and changed to an SSRI by my Psychiatrist - amitripylline gives me personally more side effects - ie dry mouth and jet-lagged/brain fogged feeling, whereas SSRIs - ie Prozac and Effexor give me none... in fact Effexor helps to shift some of the persistant tiredness and bad mood! I think it's true to say that some drugs suit some people better than others. I would say that SSRIs are 'better' than the older anti-depressants in that they give me fewer side effects.
The MMR vaccine has never contained mercury. Also the one that was approved for use in the UK in 1988 is exactly the same one that has been in use in the USA since 1971 (made by Merck, for a good read try the biography of the vaccine researcher responsible for the MMR:
http://www.amazon.com/Vaccinated-Defeat-Worlds-Deadliest-Diseases/dp/0061227951 )
There is a problem with the single vax method. It takes longer to complete, and it surely does note reduce the incidence of autism. As shown by what happened in Japan (a country where university classes were cancelled a couple of months ago because of a measles epidemic):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16865547
and
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15877763
Oh, and for some who asked about the TB vaccine. It was never used in the USA. It did not work very well, and it always produced a positive result when someone was given the TB skin test.
"Parents sue doctor over death of autistic boy" - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/11/wautistic111.xml
Hi HCN - I was talking about the three sets of baby jabs, not the MMR... my point is, if there were no issues with thimerosal/mercury, then why remove it??
Yes, single vaccines take longer to complete, which is why on a public health scale, the gov would not wish to promote it, along with compliance issues, I suspect. The point of doing them separately is not to overload the immune system with 3 live vaccines in one go, which is what the MMR does.
It was removed in a failed attempt to reassure people. The authorities hoped that this move would reassure people that they were responsive to their concerns. The various bodies were told that all that would happen would be that they would hear: "Ah, why did you remove it if there wasn't a problem - so this is proof that there is a problem and you were lying".
According to an authoritative review by Offit et al. babies systems are not overloaded by MMR. Addressing Parents’ Concerns: Do Multiple Vaccines Overwhelm or Weaken the Infant’s Immune System?
My apologies, anonymous... I assumed this blog posting was on the MMR. Umm... look up above at title... oh, it says "Andrew Wakefield, MMR, Autism and the GMC".
Still, what Shinga says. Also, thimerosal was removed even earlier in many vaccines in Canada, plus the levels are different in other countries. Yet, the levels of autism still seem to rise (a good read on that is _Unstrange Mind_ by Roy Richard Grinker).
Also, new vaccines have been created for other diseases, including the very terrible Hib. If all those vaccines were made into singles it would increse the cost, and the sheer number of visits to the clinic to innoculate the child (who may then start to have much in common with a pincussion!). Which vaccine would you want to delay in your child to fit them all in? Would it be pertussis (fatal to infants), tetanus (which does not care about herd immunity), or Hib (which can cause deafness, other neurological damage and often death)... or shall we repeat what happened in Russia when their vaccine program fell apart and diphtheria returned?
Hi HCN - don't wish to leave my children unvaccinated, but am putting the case for choice forward. Both my children had the baby vacs as per the NHS programme. An observation would be that there are more vaccines going in in one go, and I am not sure whether this is a *good thing* or not - who knows?? My first child had an awful temperature after his first baby vacs in 2002.
I have heard of people doing single MMRs because of Prevenar being added into the programme at 12 months. Not everybody is comfortable with putting so many vaccines into their small child in one go.
As parents we try to do what we consider to be 'the best' for our children - sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get it wrong. Personally, I think there should be a choice regarding MMR and that's what I do, but if someone wants to go for the MMR, then I respect their decision as being right for them. The important thing is that children are vaccinated, not how.
Anon said "The important thing is that children are vaccinated, not how."
That is the crux of it.
Yet in Japan when their MMR (it is not the Merck version, it does have problems with the mumps strain) was abondoned for single jabs the rate of autism still went up... as did the rate of measles. Remember that several university campuses were closed this past spring in Japan because of a measles epidemic.
There is absolutely NO benefit to going to single jabs. But there are INCREASED risks of other bad things happening with single jabs. There is an INCREASED risk of localized infection from the needle prick, and the INCREASED risk of getting the actual disease from being undervaccinated at a crucial time in their life.
You may have worried about that one time in 2002 when your child had an increased temp after a vaccine. Now why would you want to TRIPLE that risk with a seperate vaccines for pertussis, tetanus and diphtheria? (or whatever combination it was)
That is in addition to the INCREASED costs without any benefits.
So, yes... the "how" they get vaccinated is important. What you are advocating is INCREASING the risks of a bad outcome.
You said "I have heard of people doing single MMRs because of Prevenar being added into the programme at 12 months. Not everybody is comfortable with putting so many vaccines into their small child in one go."
So what? Where is the science that shows there is a problem with Prevnar in the MMR? Children get bombarded with multiple pathogens everyday. Why would an additional weakened germ added to other weakened germs in a vaccine overwhelm a kid's immune system.
This is too hard to believe, especially after dealing with real supposedly normally developing children and their bizarre eating habits as toddlers and children.
Right now I have a 16 year old fully vaxed son who is a high school honor student taking math two years above level. Yet, his older brother ran to me when he was a baby telling me (in sign language) that he had eaten a bug. He did have a beetle in his mouth, only slightly chewed. Then as a preschooler I caught him chewing gum. When I asked him where he got it, he pointed to where he had pulled the previously chewed stuff from the sidewalk. As a toddler he also tried to eat his older brother's art supplies. As a five to seven year old he would actively resist washing his hands after using the toilet.
(His "terrible twos" lasted from the time he was 18 months old until he was 7! He was the complete opposite of my fairly docile severely communication disabled older son.)
Yet, he is now a normal healthy six foot tall teenager. He only eats real food, and actually uses art supplies for art. He is spending his summer taking computer programming and working as a lifeguard.
Truly, the "overwhelming" the immune system doesn't seem like a realistic fear.
Hi Anon, if you don't want to read through the Offit review of vaccination and the immune system linked above, then the Science Museum offers a presentation about MMR in particular that addresses issues such as whether it is possible to overwhelm the immune system. Specifically on the issue of single jabs: "'The three parts of the MMR triple vaccine don't even work at the same time in your body. Measles works first after about 1 week, followed by mumps between 3 and 4 weeks after vaccination and finally rubella after about 6 weeks.'
Liz Miller, Head of Immunisation Division, Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre."
Dr Crippen wrote:
"1. Maybe {Andrew Wakefield] is "mad". I mean that in the vernacular sense, not psychiatric. For example, I think that David Irving is "mad" in this sense and that is why he is largely ignored in this country, though not abroad.
2. Maybe he is evil, and is on a vendetta to harm children, to deliberately deprive them of protection against life threatening illnesses. The way some of the press vilifies him, you would think that he is evil in this way. I do not believe that, either.
3. Maybe he is just a crook on the make, a flogger of patent medicine, a spiv, a con man. We can all give examples of people like that - I have one in particular in mind but will not name him or I will be in trouble. I don't believe that of Wakefield either.
My reading of him is that he is a hugely intelligent, caring man who has lost his way. Who presented some shoddy research (that should never have been accepted by the Lancet in the first place) in which he honestly believes. He is now on his mission and, yes, is making a living out of it...."
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I think the key here is:
- started with ambition, talent, believed he was "golden". But this concealed his fatal flaw: cannot admit he could possibly have been mistaken.
That old "lack of self-insight" again.
The less charitable take on Andrew Wakefield in biomedical science / among those who do not know him, and close to 100% unanimous:
"Glory hunter with Messiah complex"
Wakefield, like a good few surgeons doing research that I have met, seems to have been a man in a hurry.
Well, nothing wrong with that per se. BUT - first "sin": he went with his gut instinct regarding his pet theory and fudged the data. Negative results in his own lab were all suppressed. Positive ones were accepted at face value without doing any of the appropriate controls.
Step two: A reading of the Royal Free memos on Brian Deer's website suggests the higher-ups in his own instutition suspected Wakers was a bit "data and protocol fast-y loose-y" but turned a blind eye because Wakefield "got results", and was one of their rising young stars.
2nd step contd., when they heard "Lancet Paper", the RFH hierarchy all swallowed their slight misgivings and signed up.
Third step: the Lancet saw "widespread media coverage" up ahead, and let the splash value of the paper, and its well placed RFH-grandee advocates, "loosen" the refereeing process. All journals
want to publish "landmark papers".
Then - fourth and most disastrous step - Wakers got in front of the cameras and jumped the gun with the "single vaccines" quote.
Fifth step: Wakefield has never, ever, been able to admit the possibility that he might be wrong and his critics might be right - "Messiah complex", if you will. This is why his statements about "I don't do this because it's easy, it would have been easier to recant" don't really cut any ice. As Shinga commented above, Wakefield cannot admit to even the possibility of being mistaken. And his rightness, in his mind, justifies all he has gone on to do; the conflicts of interest, the legal case, the payments to him, the million quid to Unigenetics, the failed libel suit, the continued fund raising from desperate parents, and so on and so on.
And sixth step: This sense of rightness is reinforced at every stage by all the parents who continue to believe in him because he tells them their child has autism for a REASON - not as a random act of chance.
And so on and so on. A decade down the line and millions amd millions of pounds of legal aid / tax money spent, and here we all are again.
I agree that Wakefield believed, and believes, in what he is doing. But I would suggest that what this really tells you is that, despite all his intelligence, he lacks the personal insight to ever consider "what if" - what if he might have been mistaken.
This is another of the things that makes him such a poor scientist. It is quite clear, I think, from Wakefield's attitude to all the work that has come out since - and that has comprehensively demolished every single aspect of his theory - that NO experiment could ever be done that would persuade him that he is wrong about MMR.
As Richard Dawkins points out in his last book, that kind of attitude is not the attitude of a scientist. It is the attitude of a believer.
Well - I think Dr Wakefield is on the MARK - and I would like anyone of you who either ridicules or dismisses his suggestion and lets face it - It is a suggestion - to disproved that there is any link - as far as I am concerned investigation into why it affects some and not others should be the core matter - I have 2 children both of whom had the vaccinations one male one female my son was affected with high temperatures and unexplainable rashes following initial MMR, however, was very bright and could write and read simple books prior to preschool; was a very happy and active child until his second MMR which resulted in him becoming quite malaised aged 5yrs - his well being deteriorated he fell asleep/or lulled around all day long couldnt stand up straight and to my despair could not longer read or recognise/register many previously known things - and was diagnosed as autistic. After 4 devastating years from pillar to post and turning into a skeleton he was diagnosed with having crohns. Obviously in all that time our lives were anything but normal, in fact you could say we were living a nightmare, and GP had recommended that I worm him again reassuring me it was nothing to do with the MMR. One year later with treatment for the crohns he is almost back to normal - school is back up to par he has a little difficulty understanding somethings, but we can live with that - I tell you one thing he will not be having any more vaccinations until the Medical Boards/Bodys can get on with the job (researching with unbaiased testing on relevant studies!!!!)and stop persecuting someone who is acting on his hepocratic oath
WHY DON'T We look at the difference between those affected and those not.....?genetic markers, blood type rh+/- etc and cross match data.............
Trisha - R U serious? what is that pathetic analogy you've posted with teddy bears and cats and horse really - if only it were that simple - these are real lives that are affected here - I am so pleased that so many of you have good stories to tell - it is not the case for many with the dehabilitating circumstances that surround this issue MMR-IBD-Autism - it is life changing to find out your child is no longer "normal and healthy" just like a switch has been turned off and you can no longer go to work in fact you don't have a life anymore because you are taking care of a sick child/adolescent 24/7
The causation factor linking vaccination to autism is of course the thimerosol. The preservative was first used in 1931 in the states when the first cases of autism began to appear. Autism cases exploded there at the identical time thimerosol use rose. In June 2000 at a conference convened by the CDC and attended by the FDA, WHO, GLAXO, MERCK etc it was revealed a new study by CDC epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten had amassed conclusive proof linking Thimerosol to massive increases in autism and other neurological disorders in children. The study was buried and the research sold to a private company declaring it off limits to researchers. The author went to work for Glaxo and reworked his data to bury the link.
Ostensibly the medical profession allied with their supremely evil big pharma cohorts have conducted the most heinous crime ever committed on generation upon generation of children and have then covered up their crime. Thimerosol; labelled poison by the department of defence when Lilly used it as a preservative in vaccines. Thimerosol; killed 10 babies in 1977 when an antiseptic preserved with the stuff was dabbed on their embilical cords.
God help the medical profession when this information is revealed to the general public. How long can the medical mafia keep it secret I wonder.
I thought vaccines were safe until I read "We Cured Our Son's Autism" by Karyn Seroussi in the February 2000 Parents Magazine. Then, less than two days after my daughter's 4-month shots (DTaP, Polio, HIB and Hepatis B), she became allergic to her milk based formula (vomiting and diarhhea). Now she's allergic to peanuts, nuts, dairy, eggs, pork, etc. My family history of mild allergies combined with the vaccines to cause these severe allergies. No one in my or my husband's family is allergic to peanuts, nuts, eggs and pork, etc. My dad and I get some congestion from too much milk and my mom and brother get diarrhea from too much citric acid, apples and bananas. Nothing like this. Formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, chicken embryos & monkey kidney tissue are in vaccines. 1984, 10 vaccinations by age 6; 2004 - 36! Vaccines should not be a one size fits all, especially for infants with a family history of allergies. Dr. Crippen's comparisons of "I ate an apple and the next day it rained"!? "I gave my child an immunization and the next day he grazed his knee"!? compared to "I gave my child the MMR shot and the next month he was diagnosed with autism" are ludicrous at best. What does rain have to do with eating an apple? What does grazing your knee have to do with the MMR shot? But getting a bunch of vaccines injected into your bloodstream and being diagnosed with autism the next month can have a lot to do with each other.
Lori
Just to complete a couple of your somewhat selective quotations:
"We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine."
I think the final sentence of this is rather important, and to withold it makes for an unreasonable assessment.
Also: "If there is a causal link between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and this syndrome, a rising incidence might be anticipated after the introduction of this vaccine in the UK in 1988. Published evidence is inadequate to show whether there is a change in incidence or a link with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine."
Also: "We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, mumps, and rubella immunisation. Further investigations are needed to examine this syndrome and its possible relation to this vaccine."
All three from the original article, as linked from your original post.
Likewise there are problems with Trisha Greenhalgh's assessment of the article: all her conclusions are based on her own assessment of the 'hypothesis' of the 'research', which she admits is not actually stated in the article. She states that the hypothesis is 'implicitly' the link between MMR and autism. I would propose that it is 'implicitly' a study of 12 children presenting at the Royal Free with autistic-spectrum disorders and chronic enterocolitis: that, after all, is the title of the paper.
If more people actually read the details of the original reports in these matters, it would have saved a lot of nonsense over a lot of years. Something similar is happening to the Archbishop of Canterbury today ...
At Dr Crippen's invitation I have had a close look at Fombonne et al 2006. I need to look even closer, but it seems to be flawed methodologically. The cohorts of children were compared according to age groups, but the ages were not actually recorded - they were assumed from school year data.
Autistic spectrum disorder children are placed in school years lower than their actual age - up to four years, according to the paper. Apparently, some 21 year olds were in classes with 17 year olds. Their actual ages were never known.
This means that the affected children were recorded as having been in a different cohort. So children grouped with the 1996-98 group (the latest group) could actually belong with data from 1992. We'll never know if they were vaccinated four years earlier than assumed by this method. Children from the 1996-98 group developing autistic-spectrum might not be recorded at all.
Next, the group sizes are not equal. The earlier groups (thiomersal) cover four years each. The later group only two years. This must affect statistical significance.
Lastly, the thiomersal amounts decreased during the study (1985-1998), but actually increased until 1996. As mentioned, children affected after 1996 and developing autism-spectrum problems may well not be recorded for reasons mentioned.
So while it is claimed that autism increased while thiomersal decreased, actually this is not shown at all. It appears as if autism increases while thiomersal increases, and then the figures are chopped off at 1998, not 2000 as expected, with no reason given, and meaning that post-thiomersal children may be severely under-represented.
One more thing, an earlier report from a nova-scotia study, mentioned in this paper shows only half the incidence of autism in the general population. This is apparently dismissed because it relates to 20 year old data, although the authors seem happy enpough here to use data that is 19 years old.
Like anyone I have difficulty reading and absorbing this kind of stuff - I do not claim any specific expertise or authority. I will read on to check again.
But so far it looks like this paper is not what it appears to be on the surface, and further explanation is warranted.
I apologise unreservedly if I have mistinterpreted anything and thus structured a fallacious argument.
For those who are confused about the issue of autism and vaccines, I would implore you to set aside the opinions of Jenny McCarthy, and the "findings" of Andrew Wakefield, and listen to the FACTS on autism and vaccines.
Midnight In Chicago, for example, is getting the FACTS out on autism.
www.mic.mypodcast.com has FREE autis, spectrum podcasts, one of the most recent being the one entitled "Autism and Vaccines."
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