Monday, July 02, 2007

Slimming and stomach banding




Slimming is not easy.

We said that yesterday at the start of the article about Chris Oliver’s blog. But it is worth repeating.

Slimming is not easy.

Slimming is made much more difficult by the fact that fat people are stupid.
Britain has been declared the “fat man of Europe”. A quarter of our adults and sixteen percent of our children are now officially deemed to be obese. I have not the slightest doubt that if all the people deemed to be “obese” were to lose weight, their general health would improve. But it is not as simple as that. There is a question of self-respect, of self-esteem. A lot of people who overeat do so not just to “fill a hole” in their stomach, but also to “fill a hole” in their lives. The more the media batters them, the bigger the hole becomes, and that applies particularly to fat teenagers. Next stop anorexia. (from “Fat people are stupid” here)
Chris Oliver writes about his surgery to reduce the size of his stomach. But, from the outset, he is honest about the availability of such surgery:
“I was lucky and could afford to have my surgery privately. The NHS has not really woken up to the merits of Bariatric Surgery.”
Perhaps surprisingly, bariatric surgery is available in Dr Crippen’s PCT area. I have referred two patients for it over the last eighteen months. One was a 31 year old secretary whom we will call Julia.

Julia was always a little overweight as a teenager but, after the birth of her second child when she was 22, she gave up work and devoted herself to childcare and eating. She is now over twenty stone. She has a strong, secure marriage and a supportive husband. Julia has all sorts of issues about self-respect. Does she have an eating disorder? Some of the diet Puritans would say she must have or she would not be the weight she is. I think that is too simplistic.

I have been trying to support her for the last two years. Sometimes she gets a stone off but she soon puts it on again. She is dispirited, fed up, and anxious - but not psychiatrically ill. Fat people may be stupid but we have yet to deem them as being ipso facto mentally ill. But don’t hold you breath on that!

So, after much counselling and discussion, and a medical work up, I concluded that bariartric surgery would be a reasonable option, and referred her to a local surgeon who does it. He agreed. And sent me the following letter:

Dear John

Many thanks for kindly referring this patient to me with a view to laparoscopic gastric banding. I have had a long talk with her, and agree that this is a reasonable option. In order to facilitate her next outpatient visit there are unfortunately a lot of organisational issues, of which the most basic and troublesome one being the PCT funding approval.

In order to minimise delays I have enclosed the PCT guidelines of who will be considered suitable for referral in the future.

Patients have to comply with the listed guidelines.

If the patient is compliant with these NICE guidelines, I would suggest that you write directly to your PCT service purchasers for contract approval.

Finally, in order to facilitate the process so that if approval is available formally from the PCT, if and when I see the patient with the completed investigations (see check list), I will be able to facilitate the process of eventual admission for the banding much more rapidly.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any concerns or queries.

++++++++++++++++++++++

The protocol and guidelines

SURGERY FOR MORBID OBESITY
GP GUIDELINES: WHO WILL BE CONSIDERED SUITABLE FOR REEERRAL?

[Could we not call it "severe" obesity? Morbid is such a morbid word. And in the old days, I decided who was "fit" for referral and duly referred. If the specialist did not agree, he would say so. Now, there is a commissar between me and the specailist, and the commissar, who is not medically qualified, tells us both how to do our job]

We can only consider offering weight loss surgery if patients fulfill these criteria:

[Who is “we”? OK, it is the PCT but in fact it is some unnamed PCT committee composed of anonymous barrier-building bureaucrats. And the use of the word “can” is dishonest. They mean “will”.]

BMI >40 or BMI >35 with co-morbidity

[Arbitrary lines in the sand. Yes, lines have to be drawn but professionals – in this case the family doctor and the specialist surgeon – prefer to have discretion]

Age 18 and over

[Why not 17? Another arbitrary line]

Are not taking oral steroid therapy
No treatable metabolic reason for obesity e.g. Hypothyroidism, Cushing’s Disease
Has been referred to a dietician and has attended dietetic clinics
Has tried other weight loss treatments including either sibutramine or orlistat (as per
NICE guidelines).

[I am uneasy about the need for sibutramine and orlistat. I rarely prescribe either of these drugs. I worry about the safety profile of sibutramine, and orlistat gives you shitty knickers.]

Is committed to losing weight and has demonstrated motivation in previous weight loss attempts with at least 2.5kg weight loss documented at some time.

[OK. All obese patients have played with the dietary yo-yo and can meet this criterion – but it is slightly odd, is it not, to exclude those who genuinely cannot lose weight?]

Understands the need for long term follow up and compliance following surgery

[Egg sucking lesson]

Understands that cosmetic surgery for excess skin following weight loss will not be provided by this NHS service unless in exceptional circumstances where it constitutes a medical problem and will be considered under current criteria for restricted procedures.

[Lunacy. Someone who loses eight stone will find their skin is too big. That can cause serious psychological problems too. So why do we kick them out on the last lap?]

If the patient does not have BMI >35 plus co-morbidity, or BM >40, then they will NOT be considered for surgery.

[See above]

Co-morbidity associated with obesity includes: type 2 diabetes, hypertension, hyperlipidaemia, heart disease, gastro-oesophageal reflux disease, arthritis, sleep apnoea, asthma, incisional hernia, menstrual irregularity.

[Well, yes, OK but a tad silly. If they do not have Type 2 diabetes, it may only be a matter of time. Is this not about prevention. I have never met a woman who cannot conjure up a bit of menstrual irregularity if it is needed.]

The single most important guide to success with surgery is patient motivation. We ask GPs to state clearly that the patient appears motivated and has no psychological problem likely to hinder compliance with diet following surgery, e.g. alcoholism, mental illness, failure to understand the need for long term follow up.

[A cross between egg-sucking and idiocy. All seriously obese patients have psychological problems with their relationship to food. Note I say psychological, not psychiatric.]

Contraindications to surgery include poor compliance, cancer, GI inflammatory disease.

We ask that you document all previous attempts at weight loss.

Please list treatment with anti-obesity drugs and information on compliance, weight loss achieved and any side effects of treatment.

Please send results of fasting blood glucose, full blood count, calcium, liver function tests, lipid profile and thyroid function tests. In addition, any recent endoscopy or upper abdominal ultrasound results (within past year) will prevent unnecessary repetition.

*Guidance on the use of sibutrarnine for the treatment of obesity in adults NICE Y7/tO/2001

[More protocols from the commissariat. I do not agree with NICE on sibutramine, and so I ignore their recommendations.]

Check List of blood tests required:

Full blood count
Urea & Electrolytes
Liver function tests
Thyroid function
Ca/Phosphate/Albumin
Glucose & Lipids fasted
LH
FSH
9. 00 a.m. fasting Insulin
Testosterone
Sex hormone binding globulin
and androgen free index
24 hour urine cortisol and metabolites

[Nothing wrong the list of tests. I had done them all on Julia except for the 24 hour urine cortisol, and it is reasonable to do it, so I did.]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This protocol so typifies the modern Stalinist approach to health care. Taken sentence by sentence there is nothing particularly wrong with it. Taken as a whole, it is a disgrace.

Modern bariatric surgery is not hugely expensive. It is not without dangers, and not to be undertaken lightly. But the doctors should be left alone to make a professional assessment. It can be life saving, certainly quality of life saving.

If I see a patient who has smoked thirty cigarettes a day for thirty years I automatically treat his COPD. People who drink too much get their liver disease treated; boxers who hit each other too much get their head injuries treated.

What is so different about people who eat too much?

This protocol is not about economics. It is about blame. It is “your fault” you are fat. Fat people are stupid. Fat people are probably mentally ill. So we are not going to waste money on them unless they are penitent. Unless they admit the error of their ways and promise to behave. Unless they can demonstrate that they “deserve” treatment.

This protocol is about humiliation. Humiliating the patients by making them jump through hoops and humiliating the doctors by telling them how to do their jobs.

Obesity is about energy balance.

If you take in more energy than your body expends, you store it as fat. And vice versa. How many ex-rugby players do you know who were sixteen stone and fit at 25, and then at 50 are eighteen stone and flabby?


Take a look at Michael Schumacher since he stopped racing.


That lean, thin, angular pointed face has filled out. Much the same, and more, happened to Chris Oliver

Michael Schumacher is not obese yet, but it is early days. If problems arise, and there is need, he will be able to afford bariatric surgery, Chris Oliver could afford it too.

Most people cannot.

Bariatric surgery performed on suitable patients can transform their life and, on the long term, save the NHS a lot of money. As so often, entry into the NHS "shop" remains free, but once inside, the shelves are empty.

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31 Comments:

Blogger m.lawrenson said...

Yes, there are numerous stories of F1 drivers who pile on the pounds after hanging up the helmet. Most striking is the case of Alessandro Nannini (he of the 'reattached hand after helicopter accident fame'). After he had to retire he devoted himself to his restaraunt and its unlimited supply of wine and cake. One person who saw him at the GP Masters race last year said he was virtually unrecognisable.

Btw - my father is on Orlistat, and he seems to be doing ok with it (as long as he avoids lamb - the results are alarming).

Monday, July 02, 2007 5:25:00 PM  
Blogger Dr John Crippen said...

Ah! but have you discussed the skid marks?

John

Monday, July 02, 2007 5:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Not fat, sumo said...

"All seriously obese patients have psychological problems with their relationship to food. Note I say psychological, not psychiatric."

What is the difference?

"If you take in more energy than your body expends, you store it as fat."

Ah, but theoretical food energy is not the same as metabolic energy. Some people seem to make the conversion at a much higher rate than other people.

Monday, July 02, 2007 5:55:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

I'm curious as to your distaste for the NICE guidelines. You lambast midwives and nurses who don't agree with NICE, yet you seem to think you should be at liberty to do it yourself....

Monday, July 02, 2007 5:57:00 PM  
Blogger Dr John Crippen said...

John said...

I'm curious as to your distaste for the NICE guidelines. You lambast midwives and nurses who don't agree with NICE, yet you seem to think you should be at liberty to do it yourself....

Monday, July 02, 2007 5:57:00 PM


++++++

What an odd comment.

I am unhappy about NICE guidelines on sibutramine and Orlistat.

I do not recall ever "lambasting" midwives and nurses who don't agree with NICE. Whilst I fear you will find a quote of something I said that disproves that, nontheless my normal problem with NICE guidelines is that certain people, par excellence nurse specialists trying to be doctors, do not have the understanding and insight to understand that "guidelines" are precisely that and no more. They are not the Ten Commandments of medicine.

And yes, I am at liberty to ignore guidelines when I wish to. I am a doctor, not a computer.



John

Monday, July 02, 2007 6:29:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

Heck, Dr. C., the patients in your area are LUCKY!! Up here in North Yorkshire, we have to jump through all the same hoops, only to be put on a waiting list, for the PCT to then decide they're not funding obesity surgery and kick everyone OFF the waiting list, for them to then change their minds and only fund people with a BMI of >50!!

If only the accountants weren't controlling who gets treated.

Rachel

Monday, July 02, 2007 6:58:00 PM  
Blogger Dr John Crippen said...

Ahh...North Yorkshire. That must be the Friarage then.

Did my first rectal examination there.


John

Monday, July 02, 2007 7:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was that before or after starting medical school?

I'll be leaving now....

......arf

Monday, July 02, 2007 7:19:00 PM  
Anonymous jayann said...

John, the 'leave it to the GP' is problematic in two ways. First, some GPs will be overly unhelpful about requests for referral. (I know of no easy way to counter that.) Second, procedures must be rationed in some way or other and IMO, better that there be guidelines -- guidelines that just might help shift the 'mean' doctors towards referral -- than that all patients 'over-generous' GPs refer get operated on! (There are also clinical reasons for concern in the latter case.)

I realise documents like that one must be as irritating as all hell but as you said, you can ignore them...

(NB. My point's a general one, not stomach-surgery specific.)

Monday, July 02, 2007 7:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Fatboy Not So Slim said...

Hmmm, interesting. Obviously you don't work in my PCT area.

I have been asking for a referal to a dietician for years now. Despite repeately trying very hard (well, mostly) my weight is static at 125Kgs. And I mean static. It doesn't matter if I decide "sod it, I'm having pizza and beer every night this week" or "no, I'm dieting, mineral water etc for me please" my weight doesn't change. So I keep asking for help. Any help. Please? Well, the GP weight clinic put me on orlistat. No shitty knickers for me, in fact no change to my bowel habits even if I do have the pizza followed by lamb kebab. And no weight change. So I get put onto Reductil, a nice SSRI anti-depresant that can give you nice high BP. Still no change (either up or down) so I get taken off those. And ask again for a referal to the dietician. Finally I get refered. And two weeks later get a letter from the dietician:
"Sorry, we are too busy with underweight patients to see anybody who is overweight. Please see your GP weight clinic who will be able to prescibe treatments such as orlistat"

Oh well, at least I'm safe in the knowledge that the heart treatment I will need (assuming I survive the first heart attack) will be FAR FAR FAR more expensive than it would have cost to simply let me see the dietician when it would make some difference.

Monday, July 02, 2007 7:34:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

I'm afraid not - no obesity surgery at the Friarage. The only place that does it in NYorks is York. If only "Dr" Soo-Chung (head of the PCT) could be persuaded of the long term economics of bariatric surgery... we can live in hope!

Monday, July 02, 2007 8:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So in N Yorks one has to gorge oneself to a BMI of 50 before qualifying for surgery? Sounds like fun.

"orlistat gives you shitty knickers"
This made me laugh! Perhaps we should start prescribing a month of sphinter-tightening exercises followed by a course of orlistat.

Monday, July 02, 2007 9:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know that there are any five-year or longer studies on the effectiveness of gastric bypass surgery. People who get it commonly lose a lot of weight initially, but how many get below a BMI of 30, I don't know.

As for myself, I work out 60-90 minutes a day most days of the week, I have been to a fast food establishment once in the last month (where I ordered just the sandwich), I have a refrigerator full of healthy food yet my BMI is 31. I had lost over forty pounds but I gained most of it back.

It turns out that research at some of the best medical weight loss programs has demonstrated that sustained weight loss, no matter how motivated one is and how much one exercises (I was working out up to two hours a day and running 30 miles a week) is almost never possible because weight is largely (about 70%) genetically determined.

I continue to try to lose, of course, even though yo-yo dieting increases the risk of death by several hundred percent, because I don't want to be judged by others as evil because I am overweight.

It is reassuring to those without weight problems to ascribe lack of willpower and gluttony to the overweight because it is frightening to contemplate that our weight might just be largely beyond our control.

People without weight problems are that way mostly because they are lucky to have good genes, not because they are exemplars of self-restraint that we should all worship.

Monday, July 02, 2007 9:44:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

You're lucky here because I'm a fat geneticist...

I don't believe that the types of obesity seen in those patients qualifying for obesity surgery are down to genetics.

Genetics (in the vast, vast majority of cases) may only account for perhaps a 10% increase in body-mass above the norm.

Those believing that they are obese due to "their genes" are, sadly, deluding themselves. Genes do not make one put hand to mouth. And that's coming from someone who is morbidly obese!

Monday, July 02, 2007 10:38:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

I should also say that the funny thing about the orlistat "shitty knickers" is that it's a lovely shade of tango orange. Doesn't matter what you eat or drink, if there's a trace of fat in it, a third of it will pass straight through. Somewhere along the lines, it ends up orange.

The term used for "a reaction" by those who've taken Orlistat is:

YOU'VE BEEN TANGOED!

Monday, July 02, 2007 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It does make a difference what you eat. It's orange if you've eaten lots of fat-soluble yellow/orange/red colours. So anything with tomatoes will turn the oily farts orange.

If you cut out tomatoes and eat only green oil (say, plain pasta with pesto sauce) the oily farts will be green.

And if you eat only colourless oil without any fat-soluble colours, the oily farts will be clear.

Try it :)

Monday, July 02, 2007 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting what you say about Orlistat Dr C. I am on that particular drug, but have never seen it as a licence to eat what I want as the drug will get rid of 30% of it for me, if I did that then, yes, shitty knickers may well be the outcome, but if you cut down considerably on fatty foods at the same time as taking the medication then I have found the effects to be well within the realms of acceptability.

I only note 2 things to be wary of from this medication. 1) If you feel the need to "go" coming on, do not wait or you will not make it - go immediately and all will be well. 2) The biggest problem is with the farts this drug causes! I am getting to enjoy them too much! They are (if I let them be) big and noisy "bum rattlers" - not necessarily malodourous, mostly just excess gas, but seriously satisfying! :-)

Oh and yes, along with my excercise routing I AM losing weight with this drug!

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The number of hoops bariatric patients have to jump through is rediculous, yes the ops are expensive but so are the years of medication required due to obesity associated co-morbidites.

I'm a gastric band patient myself, my PCT doesn't fund at all... hoop jumping or not (FFS they don't pin little kids ears back where I live!) and I was lucky enough to be able to go private. Almost 4 years on I'm maintianing a healthy weight under BMI 25 (from 46), Its a struggle and I have to work hard to keep my weight here but significant weight loss is both achievable and maintainable if baratric patients work with their op, its a tool not a cure.

A lot of people think these ops are cheating and why can't we just go on a diet.... now why didn't I think of that and save myself 8 grand, a lifetime of follow-up and having a foregin body implanted in me... silly me.

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:19:00 AM  
Blogger OT student said...

I need to lose weight, and probably will do so over the next few months

This is due to the lack of jobs in the NHS; even more so if you're geographically tied as I am, and we're being encouraged to do voluntary work to keep some of our core skills up to scratch.

Guess what? We can go and volunteer in NHS hospitals...

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the anonymous of 7/2 asking about studies on long-term gastric bypass weight loss:

The RNY gastric bypass has been performed in its current version since the late 1970s/early 1980s (if I'm vague on the dates, it's because it depends on what country you look at). In the US there are many fifteen and twenty-year studies looking at long-term weight loss with the RNY GB.

Since banding started in Europe and is the current gold standard in that part of the world (although that's changing as well, depending on who you ask) you'll find that long-term effectiveness studies are mostly coming from there, particularly Italy.

To sum it up, there is weight regain, although only so a few return to their original weight. It's a J-shaped curve. Only diligent portion control and regular exercise will maintain weight at post-GB levels. If you cheat the diet, tough luck. I've found most patients are happy enough with their weight loss that they'll make the necessary changes to maintain it.

As far as I know, only the biliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch (BPD/DS) is truly effective at long-term weight loss. If you regain after one of those, eating counseling is your very first step: it takes a significant amount of cheating to beat such a drastic operation.

Dr. Crippen, I'm sure you know that the criteria you outlined are standard protocol for all insurance companies in the US if the patient wants to be covered by the surgery. It's not just the NHS. There is a little bit of wiggle room, but not much, and it usually requires an extremely dedicated staff who knows how to tangle with the system. Medicare/Medicaid also refuses to cover post-op skin reduction unless medically indicated (cellulitis, fungal infections, Stage 5 pannus intefering with urinary functions or causing impotence -- that generally gets attention first). Most patients are generally dependent on a plastic surgeon donating their time at a very low cost. It happens every once in a while.

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Crippen, I had a similar adventure with one patient, regarding Viagra.

So a man, a patient well-known to me, asks for Viagra. Erectile dysfunction based on age and certain co-morbidities. Drug was indicated, no contradindications. Samples given helped him, tolerated well, all the usual.

So he tries to fill the prescription under his insurance. I get a letter from his insurance asking for a raft of endocrine tests, from thyroid to FSH and LH, I'm not kidding. Cardiac testing, the patient lacked a cardiac history. Yes, cardiac disease can be occult, but not many would have otherwise done the testing asked.

Well, fine, the insurance wants the tests, they get the tests. Of course, the insurance is on the hook for the testing now.

Endocrine tests normal. EKG normal. All was fine.

Then I get a letter from same insurance company, asking why I'm ordering so many unnecessary tests.

I sent them a copy of their own letter. Sounded like one office didn't know what the other was doing.

.......arf

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:15:00 PM  
Blogger Chris Oliver said...

Thanks to all those that have left kind comments of encouragement on my blog http://christopheroliver.blogspot.com/

Also thanks to Dr Crippen. Best thing that has happened to me this week is the encouragement from the blog but most of all I was made "member of the month at my local gym! (Greens Edinburgh). This award was probably due to all the bicycle spinning I have done. Glad to see my blog has raised the Bariatric debate again.

Chris Oliver
Consultant Trauma Orthopaedic Surgeon
Edinburgh Orthopaedic Trauma Unit

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Bipolar girl said...

"Fat people are stupid". "Fat people are probably mentally ill".
Bracketing those two statements is absolutely disgraceful. And yes, many psychiatric patients are overweight - mainly because they take second generation neuroleptics or anti convulsants drugs, which have the unfortunate side effect of inducing huge weight gain.

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a doctor with a BMI of 35. in 2001-2 I lost 5 stone. As soon as I went back to 'normal' eating I regained it all, plus more.

It took me 7 months to regain 5 stone once I came off 1000 calories/day. I also, in the last month of the diet, developed a major depression.

In 2003 I tried again. I lost 5.5 stone. in the last month of the diet I developed a major depression. This time I escaped being hospitalised by the skin of my teeth (had I not been a doctor, I'd have been sectioned. And I freely admit, I probably should have been).

2004 was lost to depression and bullying at work.

2005 I regained the 5 stone. 2006 I decided to diet again. I went down to 1200 calories, walked 7 miles and ran 2 miles 4 times a week. Much of it on a very steep gradient.

Weight loss? nil.
Weight gain? you bet.

After two months of this I gave up in despair.

My diet? Fresh fruit and veg, fresh meat (apart from the chorizo). No junk food, ever. I LOVE green stuff. I did bake some fairy cakes last week. and about a month before that I made a syrup pudding. and Yes, I have an occasional chocolate biscuit. But not enough to deserve to look like this.

Comments from GP colleagues (apart from the inevitable: 'You've clearly got no willpower') 'There were no fat people in Belsen' 'I didn't see any fat people in Ethiopia'

Someone tell me what I should do, because I've just been diagnosed with hypertension, and it's not going to get any better.

BTW, can anyone tell me how someone lacking in willpower can manage to lose five stone, twice? That's more than most people weigh.

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There were no fat people in the concentration camps because they all dies of malnutrition within a short space of time, due to their horrifically high calorific requirements. People who were already thin were the people who survived, because their bodies were easily able to cope with the sparse diet.

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:03:00 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

To Anonymous (dieting doctor):

I'm in the same position (apart from having 12 stones to lose). Over the last few years, I've lost over ten stones in weight. But as you've found, it always comes back on. I read a research paper a few months ago which reported that the chances of someone getting down to a normal BMI by diet and exercise alone and keeping it off for more than three years is something like 0.3% (If I can dig out the reference I'll post it here).

I've spent a lifetime hearing the comments that you're colleagues have come out with... some doctors just have no idea and don't understand. I know it's stating the obvious a bit, but during your 2006 diet, is it possible that you lost fat, but gained muscle mass?

Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Ash said...

Hello John

I gained an awful lot of weight after having my kids and have lost 20 kilograms of it, bring my BMI from a massive 39 down to 34.

I just can't seem to get myself sorted to lose the next 20 and get myself down to a BMI of 25 despite following a calorie controlled diet.

I have considered lap banding, but here it's not done on medical insurance and has to be paid for privately. Anyway, even if it was done on the insurance my BMI would be too low.

Do I consider my body a cause of enough pain and torment to want to pay 10 grand to have it fixed? I'm not sure. I could probably do better with spending that 10 grand on a really good holiday.

My GP says to stop dieting as it has placed my body under stress (healthy before losing weight, unhealthy after - tendonitis, stomach ulcer, gallstones). I haven't tried Orlistat or Xenical, but maybe that's an option? Although given that my GP thinks I shouldn't lose any more just yet she is unlikely to prescribe either.

It's a complex issue, weight gain.

Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:55:00 PM  
Blogger Trish said...

Is there any compromise between the NHS and private surgery? Can one have a gastric balloon done between the two groups and pay for some of the costs, i.e. the private doctor to insert the balloon and follow-ups via the NHS/
I cannnot afford the full costs. Why is everything cheaper in Belgium? £2000 for everything including flights? Looking forward to hearing everyones views.

Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:39:00 PM  
Blogger Chris Oliver said...

http://christopheroliver.blogspot.com/

I Still continue my blog and have now lost 49.8 Kg still a few more Kg to go

Chris Oliver

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