Monday, February 25, 2008

A cheap shot from the Taxpayers' Alliance


An irritating rant from the Taxpayers’ Alliance (TPA) drops into my emailbox.

Now, do not get me wrong. The increase in taxation over the last ten years has been outrageous. Gordon Brown’s stealth taxation has bordered on fraudulent. When I was a child, it was only rock stars, fund managers and stockbrokers who paid top rate tax. Gordon Brown consistently refused to index the tax bands, so that now we have police sergeants and senior nurses paying it. Crazy. Something needs to be done about that.

The TPA go to the other extreme. Their mission statement is both simple and simplistic. Reduce taxation. At all costs. At any cost. Does not matter who suffers.

Today, the TPA is having a go at people who work in the NHS and, guess what, in particular at GPs.

There are almost 8,500 retired NHS employees (including GPs) in England and Wales with retirement benefits worth £1 million.

There are certain sums of money that strike a chord with the public. The £100,000 barrier for salaries (as in “some GPs earn as much as £100,000” ) and the £1 million barrier for pension pots. As a cynical but subtle pressure group, the TPA provocatively headlines “£1 million pension pots for NHS workers.” To the man in the street, who does not understand the cost of pensions any more than he understands the cost of healthcare, a £1 million pension pot sounds like a lottery win. The TPA knows that. It is a red rag to a bull, and the TPA knows that too.

Let us look at this rationally.

If you are sixty years old, and wish to buy an annuity for a fixed £5000 a year, with half to your partner on your death, it will cost you, give or take, £100K. If you want that pension indexed against inflation it will cost you £200,000 or more. And if you want the usual £15,000 lump sum as well, you can add a bit on to that. So, if you want an indexed linked pension of £30,000 a year, you are going to need pension pot of well over £1 million.

A senior nurse, who retires at 60 after forty years continuous service in the NHS, might well have a pension of £30,000. Does anyone begrudge her that? Of course, that is not the message the TPA wants to give. There is no headline saying “Our angels are to retire on a decent pension” just the usual cheap shot at GPs. Why mention GPs specifically? Why not say “including senior nurses”? That would not have quite the same impact, would it?

The TPA does mention, en passant, a seemingly trivial matter:

Unfunded public sector pension liabilities are reaching completely unsustainable levels.


Unfunded? Just a minute. NHS pensions are not unfunded. NHS pensions are contributory pensions and GPs in particular have huge and rising monthly superannuation bills. So where has all that money gone? You mean, the government did not put it all under the mattress?


Gordon Brown

You mean Gordon Brown put it in the current account and spent it? Surely not. Only Robert Maxwell spends the employees’ pension fund contributions. No reputable government would do that.

There is also the implication in the TPA article that NHS employees can skip off early with full indexed linked pensions. They cannot. Take GPs pensions (full details here), about which I know a little. They are not truly final salary pensions. They are based on 1/80th per year of life time earnings. A full pension is 40/80ths and can be taken after 40 years service. After five or six years of medical school, perhaps a year abroad, and MD, a BSc or whatever, many doctors do not join the NHS payroll until they are 25 or 26. They have no possibility of a full pension until they reach 65 or more, and that pension is only half the average annual earnings, not the more generous two-thirds that senior civil servants receive.

Early retirement is a theoretical option from the age of fifty. But there is a huge financial penalty. Start work at 25 and go at 50 and your pension is only 25/80ths of the final pension, is actuarially reduced by a further 25% and is not indexed until you are 55. For most employees, it is not a viable option and rightly not. Retirement at 50 should not be featherbedded.

The government has not made proper allowance for public sector pensions and, indeed, has had its hand in the pension pot. And remember, all those city people have already taken their cut to fund their January bonuses and their own early retirement pension pots. How many stock brokers, fund managers and investment bankers carry on to the age of sixty? Perhaps the TPA would tell us that.

The baby boomers are retired or retiring, and some of their children are not far behind. There is a demographically charged pension time-bomb ticking away. Something needs to be done, that is for sure. But it is not just GPs, or doctors in general, or just the NHS pensions. It is the teachers, the police, the fire-brigade, the civil servants and all British employees on the public payroll.

The City fat cats retire early because each year, year in, year out, however badly they perform, however badly they manage our pensions, they take a huge percentage cut. Maybe we could help the pension problem by putting a Harold Wilson style 90% tax on all January bonuses over, say, £100, 000. Heavens, £100,000 is a lot of money. It is the kind of money that those fat cat GPs earn. But just a minute, if those poor investment bankers could only take home £190,000 of their £1 million annual bonus, they might have to work on until they were 60, and that would never do, would it?

The Taxpayer’s Alliance shows its true ultra-right wing roots, and demeans itself, by clothing this important issue in an ad hominen attack on NHS workers.

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30 Comments:

Anonymous lost_nurse said...

Well said, Dr Crippen.

"...however badly they manage our pensions"

Indeed - and the same goes for all their overpaid kind. If I treated patients with the same casual disregard for "risk", I'd be in jail.

Monday, February 25, 2008 6:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to compare for you the difference that us "little people" in the private sector have to put up with.

The money purchase pension scheme (to which I have been contributing for 3 years now) is currently worth 14882 GBP, which, by your estimate of a 2.5% annuity rate will give me an income of 372 GBP per year.

Compare that with a final salary pension scheme (such as that which you and your public sector colleagues enjoy), under which I would have accrued 3/80 of my salary, which is worth approximately 1200 GBP per year.

Perhaps this makes it a little clearer to you why people such as myself are somewhat envious of the pension schemes that you are members of?

Monday, February 25, 2008 6:15:00 PM  
Blogger Prentiz said...

Sadly the TPA seems to be rather more focused on headlines than respectable research these days - which is saddening.

Monday, February 25, 2008 6:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Without knowing precisely what you contribute it's difficult to say, but I had a similar discussion with a Police Officer, who also claimed to be "paying for his own pension". He was actually paying about a third of it. I doubt very much that GPs or anyone else in the public sector gets anywhere near funding their own pension.

Anyway, there is an easy test. Give you all your contributions back and pay them into the pension the rest of us get, it would be fairly simple to do this retrospectively. I bet no-one will take up this offer.

Monday, February 25, 2008 6:21:00 PM  
Anonymous DrCrippen said...

The money purchase pension scheme (to which I have been contributing for 3 years now) is currently worth 14882 GBP, which, by your estimate of a 2.5% annuity rate will give me an income of 372 GBP per year.

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I am afraid this is meaningless unless you say how much a month you are contributing, and what % of your salary that represents.

But on the evidence so far, I suggest you hike up your contributions.

And don't get me wrong; I am not saying that NHS pensions are bad. The one great thing they have is that, although not huge, they are safe. Hard to put a price on that. And no, of course I am not going to take my money out and give it to city spivs. If you remember, the spivs had drive to encourage nurses to do that about ten years ago, and took them all to the cleaners.


John


John

Monday, February 25, 2008 6:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I contribute 10% (grossed up) if that helps you out Dr.C (probably averaging about 3000 GBP per annum over the period). The value of my funds is only so high due to some stellar performance from SE Asia funds over the past 3 years - god help me if I'd been contributing to a FTSE tracker!

And FWIW I disagree - compared to the contributions that you make (6.5-8% net?) I think that the benefits you enjoy are huge, and as you say relatively safe.

PS thanks for the financial advice - already taken as I save aqpproximately an equivalent sum in ISAs every year (I too have no time for the majority of those city spivs and their 1.5% annual mismanagement charges). There are however vast legions of wage slaves in this Great country of ours who simply cannot afford to do that (annual median wage in this country is ~24k per annum IIRC) - they are the ones who are really going to suffer.

Monday, February 25, 2008 6:43:00 PM  
Blogger Nick said...

If you think its fully funded, they you need to think again.

Perhaps you would like the government guarantee removed from your pension. If its fully funded, it doesn't make a difference.

The scheme is not fully funded, and when it comes to state pensions in general, the government does take the money and spend it.

The capital sum needed to replace the state pension alone is 7 trillion. For state employees you need to add another trillion in unfunded costs.

The problem is that you've made a major mistake. You've confused, "I fund my pension" with "I fully fund my pension".

The latter isn't true.

The consequences aren't particularly good. The people you want to help are going to be hurt. You might be alright, you have a contract for your pension.

Monday, February 25, 2008 7:07:00 PM  
Blogger John the Manager said...

when you sign your contract of employment you are signing for all conditions of service, the pension is part of this, the salary is another, NHS salaries are not comparable with the private sector or I would have no recruitment problems at all

Monday, February 25, 2008 8:21:00 PM  
Anonymous david said...

Unfortunately Dr Crippen is wrong and the Taxpayers' Alliance is right! Crippo is getting an excellent deal from the NHS scheme, far better than the salaried employees of the NHS or any other public sector employee for that matter. He says:

"They are based on 1/80th per year of life time earnings. A full pension is 40/80ths and can be taken after 40 years service."

WRONG: NHS pension scheme members also receive a tax-free lump sum of 3/80ths of pensionable earnings for each year of service (maximum 120/80). That effectively gives members the equivalent of a pension of 2/3 earnings after 40 years'service.

"After five or six years of medical school, perhaps a year abroad, and MD, a BSc or whatever, many doctors do not join the NHS payroll until they are 25 or 26. They have no possibility of a full pension until they reach 65 or more, and that pension is only half the average annual earnings, not the more generous two-thirds that senior civil servants receive."

Again, that situation is no different to other professions requiring postgraduate qualifications, eg scientists, lawyers and accountants whose pensionable service would start at a similar age to doctors.

Something else touched on was that GPs pensions are based on "lifetime earnings". This actually is more beneficial than final salary earnings particularly for doctorswho opt to go part-time late in their careers, and Dr Crippen knows that! In fact self-employed subcontractors should be grateful that they get any sort of pension, let alone a generous NHS one.

As usual, the Taxpayers' Alliance hits the nail right on the head, no wonder Dr Crippen rants so much! Bringing up the usual irrelevances about a minority of city workers who are not paid for by the taxpayer does little to commend his rationale.

Monday, February 25, 2008 9:01:00 PM  
Anonymous DrCrippen said...

David

I am not saying the TPA is wrong about the gravity of the problem of funding pensions.

I just object to their presentation and spin - the underlying assumption that doctors and nurse are somehow getting something to which they are not entitled.

NHS pay is not wonderful. The solid pension is one of the things that keeps nurses and doctors going.

There is this vulgar assumption that people who work for the government do not deserve a reasonable pay rate etc.

Why should this be?


John

Monday, February 25, 2008 9:11:00 PM  
Blogger Calavera said...

Totally irrelevant, but:

Wow! You've had a makeover!

Very swish and impressive!

Monday, February 25, 2008 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Emma said...

I think your ad hominem attacks on city workers and fat cats, although it is difficult to give them sympathy is a little unjust! If you wanted to be an investment banker rather than a doctor, you could have done so, you made that choice with all the consequences that come with it, and I assume you are happy with it!

The notion that such people are "overpaid" shows a gross misunderstanding of simple market economics. How their pay compares to public sector staff is interesting, as it is very difficult to know whether such staff are over or underpaid because there is no market for their products! I tend to side with Milton Friedman and his comments about teachers... bad teachers are grossly overpaid and good ones grossly underpaid.

As for pensions, I don't begrudge GP's or Nurses or anybody else the pensions that they signed up to, and you yourself have put your finger on the real culprit, the Government. Your pension is not fully funded, it should have been, and worse as we all know the very significant contributions you and your employer have made, have not been invested. I always liken the pensions situation to a pyramid selling scheme, if the pool of contributers does not continually grow it falls apart - the present situation is nothing other than politically motivated fraud - that everybody, doctors, nurses, bankers, the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker of the current and next working generations will have to pay for.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:16:00 AM  
Blogger Devil's Kitchen said...

Some years ago -- about 2001, I think -- I was told that, in order to be able to retire at 65 on £16k per annum (plus a decent lump sum), I needed to be paying £250 per month into my pension fund.

At the time, this was nearly a quarter of my take-home pay. This was quite simply unaffordable.

But then, I feel that some people just don't live in the real world. I was on some forum a while back, and someone there was saying, "no one would take a job without an included pension anymore."

As I pointed out, some of us work for small companies, not for massive conglomerates, as he did.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to sell my saggy 65 year-old arse when I retire...

DK

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:26:00 AM  
Blogger Nick said...

There are however vast legions of wage slaves in this Great country of ours who simply cannot afford to do that (annual median wage in this country is ~24k per annum IIRC) - they are the ones who are really going to suffer.


They are going to suffer. All their disposable cash is going to be going to pay for state pensions and pensions for state employees.

The cost should be paid now, and you should have a fund. Instead we are getting your work on the never-never. Thanks to compound interest, the wage slaves will be footing the bill far into the future, whilst not being able to afford their own pensions.

Nick

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:34:00 AM  
Blogger Dr John Crippen said...

As I pointed out, some of us work for small companies, not for massive conglomerates, as he did.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to sell my saggy 65 year-old arse when I retire...


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DK

For God's sake, sell it now and invest for the future before your bottom drops out of the market.

John

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous ZT said...

In the USA Social Security supposedly puts all of the surplus funds into a 'Trust Fund'. All the money is spent by the government as it comes in, of course, and the 'Trust Fund' is just a book-keeping entry. So what's going to happen when today's young and middle-aged people retire? The money won't be there, and the government will simply default. The same thing will likely happen to your government pension.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a simple solution here. All public sector workers have to pay into a private pension, just like the rest us. No more final salary pension. You use your money to buy an annuity, just like the rest of us. Then you will see how things are.

It must also be made illegal to pay any extra (non state) pension from taxation, unless we all get our non state pensions topped up from taxation. On rule for all, not one rule for public sector employees and another for private sector employees. Why should should public sector workers get something the rest of do not?

And, do not go crying on about how hard you work, how you need a decent pension after giving 30 years service. The rest of us work out b***ocks off too, trying to make a living to. We are in the same position too.

Note - most of us are not working in the city earning huge bonuses.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi NHS pensions are paid from taxes. Local Govt pensions are actually invested in a pension fund. Most of them are healthy, but a few that have been badly managed are in deficit. Contributions are from employees with employers making a percentage salary contribution as well.

I think GP's are vastly overpaid, but just wanted to say that not all public sector pensions are dealt with the same way. Most people lump them all into one and assume they are all managed the same way.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13:00 AM  
Blogger Tomrat247 said...

Doc,

Fraid many of the anonymous comments, and Emma in particular, are right on the money on this - many public sector workers have long been campaigning for better pay and conditions; it fluctuates between governments depending upon how they are currying favour with the general populace - reduce public wages below inflation to win over those on the right or increase them above it to win over those on the left. Both schemes tend to ignore the one fitting the bill in both cases and either putting up with poor services or with overly expensive but good ones; Gordo has simultaneously managed both feats of poor and expensive services as you yourself have pointed out on many occasions (to which me, an uninformed joe-public chimp, am eternally grateful).
The obvious solution to this though Doc is to take many of the state monopolies out of the states hands as is possible; no private (or socially insured) healthcare enterprise would run a pension scheme as generous - or if they did, it wouldn't last long in the face of competition (that costing for such a generous pension scheme has to come from somewhere - at the moment it is just extracted with malice at tax-point).
I'm sure Tim Worstall has said it better but not all public goods have to be run as a public service.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous david said...

A "bingo!" comment which is sure to get Dr Crippen quirming in his chair:

"The obvious solution to this though Doc is to take many of the state monopolies out of the states hands as is possible; no private (or socially insured) healthcare enterprise would run a pension scheme as generous - or if they did, it wouldn't last long in the face of competition (that costing for such a generous pension scheme has to come from somewhere - at the moment it is just extracted with malice at tax-point)".

No wonder the dear old doc is concerned about "creeping privatisation" if it means that his platinum pension might be trimmed somewhat.

The TPA isn't demanding anything particularly radical; all it is asking for is that some element of fairness be introduced, i.e. that the public sector retirement age should be aligned to the state retirement age of 65.

One of the comments made was that some public sector pensions are fully funded by investments in a pension fund. The Universities Superannuation Scheme is one example, and it's interesting to note that its retirement age is 65!

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger Wat Tyler said...

Doc- [NB this may be a double post]

"The Taxpayer’s Alliance shows its true ultra-right wing roots, and demeans itself, by clothing this important issue in an ad hominen attack on NHS workers"

As you know, I hold no brief for the TPA...

Well, OK, that's an outright lie.

More honestly, I think we can all understand and sympathise with your frustration and anger at being caught in the middle of a crossfire hurricane of media jockeying (once known as "political debate").

It's a bit like the frustration and anger those of us on the "ultra right" (aka free market liberals) have felt over the last decade watching Labour rebuild its dysfunctional Big Government Britain with no effective opposition whatsoever.

We've had enough, and the TPA is one way in which we're trying to get heard.

But to get heard in a 2008 political debate, it turns out you have to SHOUT!!!! You can have all the clever analysis in the world, but unless you can land it in the public arena, you get nowhere.

And that includes latching onto helpful media "narratives". I'm afraid the furore over doctors pay is one of them.

Sad but true.

You may well feel that's demeaning, and ideally we could all sit down together and thrash these things out over a Bird and Fortune dinner party.

Unfortunately that's not where we are.

PS The basic TPA analysis is surely uncontroversial- public sector DB pensions are much better than today's typical private sector arrangements, and the taxpayer will have to pick up a pretty chunky tab.

As you will have read in the paper, a typical public sector pension is now equivalent to a 12% salry uplift over private sector counterparts, and the total unfunded bill is now well in excess of £1 TRILLION.

Nobody's blaming you Doc- it's all down to our clothead government. But unfortunately you're out there in the crossfire.

I don't know what pension arrangements you're worth, and neither does anyone else. But I do know that if the NHS was abolished and replaced by one of those insurance models, public political wrangling like this would be very much reduced.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:21:00 PM  
Blogger Wat Tyler said...

PS Very witty riposterior to the Devil. I laughed.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Pascal said...

You complain about doctors being attacked, but then you attack bankers who do well. What did they do to you?

That is not a very rational response.

I am not one of those bankers, but I can tell you that only very few earn the kind of bonuses that you are talking about. And if they do, you can bet that they are very good.

Don't complain about how the media portrays your profession, and use the same stereotypes from the same media when it suits you.

You are better than that.

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:39:00 PM  
Blogger Rob Clark said...

There’s no such thing as a ‘pensions pot’ in this country, never has been. My contributions pay my retired father’s pension just as his contributions did the same for his father before him.

The current problems have arisen because 1) we have an aging population, so decreasing numbers of people in work are having to fund increasing numbers of those who have retired, and 2) the current government has presided over a massive increase in the number of people employed by the state which offers much better – and unaffordable – pensions. Of course, since there is a political motivation behind this, it’s unlikely to change.

Part of the solution lies in your hands, Dr C – we need people to die off a bit younger…

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:25:00 PM  
Blogger Nick said...

Part of the solution lies in your hands, Dr C – we need people to die off a bit younger…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/jan/18/health

More than 17,000 people receiving treatment in the UK have died unnecessarily because of the inadequacies of the NHS

They are trying.

Nick

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The local government pension which is funded through an invested pension pot rather tahn taxpayers contributions, has also recently raised its retirement age to 65, and those of us like myself who have a pension with them fully expect this retirement age to rise as the years go by!

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:31:00 PM  
Blogger Nick said...

The LGA scheme may be funded, but it isn't fully funded.

It is however, guaranteed by all future taxpayers, who pick up the bill if the council decides not to contribute enough, people live longer, they pension people off early, they award large pay rises, ...

Nick

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the TPA and British public really wanted to lower taxes, they would vote to introduce tax deductible compulsory health insurance for everyone, tax deductible school fees for everyone, compulsory tax deductible unemployment and long term disability insurance for everyone, and abolish free housing and welfare unless physically or mentally disabled. ie stay with relations if you cannot afford a house.

Sounds too right wing? that's what we do in India, where I come from, so why can't the British cope with the reality of life which the majority of people on earth face everyday.

Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:00:00 AM  
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