They told me it wasn't cancer
A characteristic bit of provocative shit-stirring from the BBC under the alarming headline, "they told me is wasn't cancer". I take a deep breath before reading BBC articles like this for they always start with some GP bashing along the lines of "I went to my GP eight times before he noticed my broken leg...". This article starts:
Richard, now 21, waited 10 months before doctors correctly diagnosed him as suffering from Hodgkin lymphoma, affecting the lymph nodes in his neck. Swollen lymph gland in the neck. A lump can be an early sign of cancer. He had first noticed a lump in March 2007, after a rugby accident in which he had broken his leg. Richard assumed it was a muscle tear, but when it had not disappeared by early July, he went to his GP. His doctor acted swiftly, and referred him for an ultrasound, which showed abnormalities. But he was sent to see an ear, nose and throat specialist - rather than a cancer specialist - at a general hospital and the tests he was given would not have been able to spot a tumour. He was eventually given the diagnosis of Hodgkin lymphoma in January this year. (BBC)Strewth! The BBC has found the one competent GP in the country. He did some prompt and appropriate investigations. And don't you love the way the BBC tells us that "a lump can be an early sign of cancer". I must write that in my new fact book.
ENT surgeons are cancer experts. You may think they spend all their time taking out tonsils and doing nose jobs but in fact ENT tumours are the most important part of their work. The diagnosis of lymphomas is not as straight forward as the BBC implies. I don't know exactly what happened in this case to explain the apparent delay in diagnosis. The BBC must be sure of their ground as it would not be difficult to identify the surgeon involved. Whatever happened, it was perfectly reasonable for an ENT specialist to see a patient with a lump in the neck.
The much vaunted "cancer doctors" are not primarily involved in cancer diagnosis. They see patients after the cancer has been diagnosed and usually after the surgeons have done their bit. Their particular skills are in staging and treating cancers.
And then more guff from the BBC with the usual ludicrously up beat trivialisation of Hodgkin's Disease. Modern treatment has improved the prognosis of Hodgkin's Disease enormously but it is not "easy" to "cure"
Dr. Mitchell Smith, director of lymphoma service at the Fox Chase Cancer Center in Philadelphia.Most people with Hodgkin's Lymphoma are young. Early diagnosis is important. But oncologists (cancer doctors) have a different framework of reference when it comes to prognosis. Teenagers do not like to talk of "5 year survival rates" and whilst a "5 year survival rate" of 80% may be wonderful in the oncology world, it is not good news for a teenager. I have had a number of patients over the years with Hodgkin's Disease. All were promptly diagnosed and all bar one are still alive. Managing the one who died was made particularly difficult as, from the outset, both she and her parents had more or less been guaranteed a cure.
"In a favourable group, you get close to 95 percent five-year survival with the right treatment," Smith said. "In the unfavourable group, it is close to 80 percent. Very few people relapse after five years."
Labels: Hodgkin's Lymphoma, oncological optimism, prognosis
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i had a rash on my neck,the doctorb said it were a shingle, well it wasnt, it were a cancer. answer that
Was comment #1 taken directly from a NOTW editorial??
Round here the correct pathway for neck lumps IS to urgently refer to ENT, because they are the only speciality set up for biopsy.
Referring directly to oncology or haematology only delays matters, because they have to refer on to ENT for biopsy.
So, right course of action.
I wondered how long it would be before you got round to this one Crippen. I heard it and groaned inwardly at the puerile and disingenuous analysis which one has come to expect of the BBC.
Diagnosis is difficult, not like making half @rsed radio programmes. When this bunch of tw@ts have managed to drive all the doctors out of the country to where they're appreciated then they may discover that you can't run medicine on semi-trained nurses with tick lists and protocols.
I started to draw my pension last week. Huzzah! I'll carry on working until I am driven out of the system by peevish and ignorant management and commentators.
"Richard, now 21, waited 10 months before doctors correctly diagnosed him..."
But he didn't bother to go and see a doctor for the first four months!
Mr Potarto - if you read the article, he noticed the lump in March 2007 and went to his GP in July 2007; he received the correct diagnosis in January 2008 - which is 10 months after he noticed the lump, or 6 months after he saw his GP.
Dr C - surely the point to come out of this is that the ENT gang didn't diagnose him correctly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7440470.stm
"When I was referred to the first hospital I was told on two separate occasions that there was definitely no cancer.
"They had identified it as either a lipoma, a non-malignant tumour of the fat cells, or a hernia.
"But I have since seen in letters that they sent to the second hospital that actually they had no idea what it was."
Dr C you missed this one: "Edward Farndale, 22, explains how he was told he had cancer, 95 weeks after he first went to see his doctor."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7443532.stm
Yes, just looked at Edward Farndale
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He goes to his doctor with viral type symtoms and backache. He thinks he has got viral type symptoms and backache as does the doctor. He does not go back to the doctor. Indeed, HE GETS BETTER
Many months later he gets more symptoms. Who knows whether the original presentation was the cancer or was indeed just a viral problem.
I am not trying to launch a global defence of the medical profession. Yes, sometimes there is undue delay in diagnosis. But often there is delay which is NOT under. You don't start doing XRays and blood tests on teenagers on the first presentation of an illness which seems viral, and which has not physical signs. But what you do do, or most of us do, is say "If you are not right in a week or two, come back"
Some do. If they do, you then investigate them.
What you do NOT do is say to teenagers, "Well I know a bit of a temperature and backache is probably viral BUT IT COULD BE CANCER...."
If you did that, half the teenage population would be gibbering.
I have seen Hodgkin's Disease as a GP on average once every 7.5 years. Each year I see hundreds and hundreds of teenagers who are off colour, with malaise, aches and pains and a temperature.
John
Yeah you can't wait around for months without going to the doctor.
DR C - so what did you make of Dr Leonard in the BBC Clip? - I thought she was very honest and put her point across rather better than you have in your post above, or are you going to launch into a tirade of offensive abuse towards her because you don't like the way she looks?
Interestingly, although you don't have anything positive to say about Dr Briffa, you seem to have steered clear of making snide remarks about his appearance - is it only women who get that kind of treatment?
R C - so what did you make of Dr Leonard in the BBC Clip? - I thought she was very honest and put her point across rather better than you have in your post above, or are you going to launch into a tirade of offensive abuse towards her because you don't like the way she looks?
[I thought she was OK-ish : she was discussing a different case to the one I was discussing though and an easier one to answer. I put my views on it (better than hers, I thought) above in the comments]
Interestingly, although you don't have anything positive to say about Dr Briffa, you seem to have steered clear of making snide remarks about his appearance - is it only women who get that kind of treatment?
[Heavens, I let his hairstyle speak for itself. What more is there to say?
I don't do personal abuse unless I was to be offensive, so I reserve phrases like androgynous lard bucket for people like Malone.]
Pip pip
John
Y'know, Dr C, I'm fascinated by all of this - the Health Secretary gives a speech implying that Doctors in general and the BMA in particular are a bunch of nazis and on the same day no less this story appears on the Beeb ...
"Briefing against" is fine for politicians - part of the job more or less. But the problem with "briefing against" doctors is that the longer this goes on the less trust the populace has in the medical profession ... and then we're back to the days of poor people not getting medical treatment ...
Very sad.
on the other hand it would be fairly easy to argue that the press is far too lenient on the nhs and docs of the UK
http://notdrrant.blogspot.com/
No, anonymous - the press get their stories primarily from "contacts", press releases and spin doctors (that would be not the medical kind of doctors). Labour is particularly strong on manipulating the media ... added to which the Beeb are somewhat demoralised since Hutton and the restructuring that followed.
This is a campaign. Subtle. And short sighted. Because when you destroy trust in the medical profession, what are you left with?
Politicians think in terms of the next election. Which this lot are likely to lose so they're beginning to rush it.
They're not thinking about what happens after they've achieved their goal. Ring any bells?
The problem is, doctors do get things wrong, and yes, sometimes these things are life threatening. This has happened to someone close to me, my mother, she was diagnosed with a sciatic nerve problem and then she had a stroke through a blood clot in the neck.
The problem is, doctors are only human, and yes, they may have medical training and knowledge that their patients don't, but people make mistakes. Patients make mistakes by not contacting their GP earlier, hoping it will just "go away" or then refusing to follow up on the doctors advice because of pride and/or cost and/or stupidity. How is it then fair to blame a GP for when a problem doesn't go away.
I can't see how campaigning this way will do any good. I can't blame the doctor for misdiagnosing my mother because she left it hoping it would "go away" and also I'm sure that, yes, he diagnosed her with what he thought the problem was. I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose because he was lazy or incompetent. This is life and these things happen. If I had a lump on the neck initially I would presume I needed to see an ENT specialist, and that's as a member of the untrained public.
*shrugs* at the end of the day, these situations will go on. Nobodies perfect and this shouldn't be expected of the medical profession either. I'm not saying that there aren't cases where a patient has been handled completely incompetently, but don't tar all GPs with the same brush!
Yesterday morning the BBC said that Spanish lorry drivers were blocking border crossings in South East France.
They can't even get simple things right.
still no answers on my shingle then, thougt not
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Aww first and last anon, so sorry to see that it appears to have metastasised to your brain
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