Sunday, July 13, 2008

Dr Neil Bacon : a disgrace to the medical profession


Dr Neil Bacon should be ashamed of himself. Earlier today I wrote at length, with some circumlocutions, about Bacon. It is no longer necessary to mince words. The site he has set up is a disgrace. If Bacon is making money out of it, he deserves to be driven out of the medical profession. Take a look at how, in the course of one short day, he has attempted to destroy the professional reputation of a doctor, without explanation, and without giving that doctor the right to respond.

This is what I said earlier:
Look at what is already happening on the site, with this utterly disgraceful ad hominen attack on a doctor who is not able to defend himself. There are always two sides to a story, never more so than when there is a psychiatric problem. This poor doctor cannot defend himself without breaking patient confidentiality. Disgraceful! Fortunately, some of the doctor's colleagues are defending him, and it is not difficult to infer what is probably going on here. Patients with mental illness do not forfeit their right to medical confidentiality, however demanding and pushy their relatives may be.

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And what exactly is going on now, Dr Bacon? Some supportive comments were made about this doctor, but now they have disappeared. Without explanation. Why is that, Dr Bacon? Compare what is appearing now, with what was on the site earlier today when I first visted (and furled) it. This morning you were rating this doctor as "good" at 75%. You are now rating him at 0%. That is a career destroyed over Sunday lunch. You can't play with peoples' professional careers like this. You are a disgrace, Dr Bacon.


Baconshit has amended the record again. Now, possible as a result of this article, the record of Dr Jayantilal Popat has been amended yet again. Full story here. The derogatory remarks have now been removed. But there is no explanation and no apology. Disgraceful!
On his distasteful website Bacon says the following:
How can the ratings of doctors help me/my family get better health?
You can search iWantGreatCare to find the type of doctor with the style and approach you prefer. All doctors have met professional standards to practice safely and competently, but the 'bedside manner' and communication methods of doctors vary greatly. By reading the reviews of other patients you will be able to get an idea of how a doctor behaves towards patients, and thus choose the approach that best meets your needs. It is well reported that the quality of the relationship and communication you have with your doctor can influence the outcome of your care. Letting your doctor know what a great job they have done and using iWantGreatCare to publicly thank them will help them continue to give great care.
Bacon is an ill-prepared, mendacious little shit. You don't believe me? Try the following exercise. Search Bacon’s database for these three doctors. You may like their "style and approach" and want to sign on with them:
Dr Edmund Griffith
Dr Lisa Fook
Dr Peter Lyne
I have made it easy for you. All you need to do is click on the names. When you have done that, why not write a few derogatory remarks? It’s all good “fun”. No one is going to sue, I can assure you. Before you do though, pause a while to ask youself why I now openly say that Bacon is a mendacious little shit, and a disgrace to the medical profession.

The answer is above and, most of all,  here.

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And finally, the reductio ad absurdum. A reader points out that Bacon was rated at 1.8 out of 5.0 on RateMDs.com whereas This doctor scored 4.9 out of 5.0.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

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34 Comments:

Anonymous pmstudent said...

It's not only Neil Bacon who has been rated on RateMDs.com...

http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/172704/England/London/Darzi

Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure what the comments were that were left on those Dcotors listed - they're all empty now.

Did anyone cache it?

Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

after leaving funny comment about one of the 3 Dr's above ive had my ip address banned from posting ever again on iWantGreatCare

Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:31:00 PM  
Blogger ThePaddlingDoc said...

Here Here Dr Crippen, Bacon should be fried.... to a crisp.

Its utterly disgusting, and fairplay to you all for outing him.

Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr Crippen- you say some nasty things about people as well. But you never provide your real name. The people you denigrate don't hide behind masks.

Monday, July 14, 2008 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous david said...

Even Shipman gets a rating here: (!)

http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/172804/England/Hyde/Shipman

Monday, July 14, 2008 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bad doctors kill their patients.

Monday, July 14, 2008 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also had my ip blocked.

God knows how they differentiate between genuine positive comments and those left to back up a colleague who has been slighted unnecessarily.

Could neil be referred to the GMC over this site?

Monday, July 14, 2008 1:39:00 AM  
Anonymous david said...

Why just single out Bacon? www.ratemds.com is just as bad (see comments above) and has been operating for a lot longer. What is really needed is an effective means for patients to expose bad doctors (other than via the appalling British press).

Monday, July 14, 2008 9:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes I suspect so. I believe he could be referred on the grounds that he fails to seek express consent from patients to feature their data.

Moreover, the confidentiality regulations at the GMC means doctors cannot defend themselves.

We toyed with the idea of patient comments on doctors but decided it was a very bad idea - checks were needed to verify the substantial basis of each comment. During our work about 80 percent of people misinterprete science. The patient notes do not tally with the comment made. For this reason, we dumped this idea. Personally, I dont think
comments should be published without access to their patient notes. Thats my view having dealt with the patient population in medical neglect since 2000.

Bacon is treading a tightrope and has not thought this project out properly.

It will also be extremely difficult to remove libellous postings.

Regards

Dr Rita Pal
http://www.ward87.blogspot.com
http://www.nhsexposedblog.blogspot.com
http://www.nhsexposed.com

Monday, July 14, 2008 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mesothelioma is a form of cancer caused by exposure to asbestos — in my case, most probably at the London hospital where I spent six years training.

Monday, July 14, 2008 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw the comments in support of Dr P****, the GP attacked by the son of the schizophrenic mother. They were simply pointing out that the GP was entirely correct in maintaining patient confidentiality. There was no reason for their removal.

Neil Bacon has come up with an incredibly offensive website-as doctors we try to do what is in the best interest of the patient, and what is in their best interest may not be what they want (for example, try explaining why repeat prescriptions of Valium aren't good and see how much abuse you get for it).

Monday, July 14, 2008 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Richie said...

Anonymous: "Bad doctors kill their patients."

Brilliant. Thanks for the insight.

Please explain how this website will prevent this. As opposed to collegial concern, nursing staff, whistleblowing juniors, continual accreditation, the GMC, the Royal Colleges, the police, the coroner etc. etc. etc.

The point already made rather well on the RateMD page for Harold Shipman was that his patients thought he was the best GP they had ever had - he took time to listen to them; and then killed them with morphine. I still remember the news footage of them protesting with placards outside his trial. So, anonymous, what do you reckon his rating would have been? Pretty damn close to 5 I reckon.

Monday, July 14, 2008 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

some of the comments made about Shipman are priceless. e.g.:

"Lovely bedside manner. Granny obviously thought so as she changed her will in his favour. Lovely lovely man."

"Fantastic. Always just in time, arrived just before all my relatives died and made sure they were comfortable. I'm just slightly annoyed that he took a share of my inheritance but hey he worked hard for it!"

Of course, this would never happen nowadays. Poor old Shipman was so poor that he had to rely on legacies from his rich patients just to make ends meet!

Monday, July 14, 2008 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Donaldson, Dharzi, Black, Fradd, Bacon. This country is producing a real rogues gallery of the self important and self interested who happily take the money/cushy job/honour and then sell their colleagues down the river. What a shining credit to the profession they all are.

Monday, July 14, 2008 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What annoys me is the absolute power this man now holds over the medical profession. One bad comment on this site, one bad rating done "anonymously" with no possibility of feedback or investigation on the side of the doctor could ruin his career.
All the man has to do is to put some choice comments in the profiles of the people he has a grudge against (Rita and Fishgoth spring to mind) and there we have it, job done.
Very, very scary

Monday, July 14, 2008 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger Evelyn said...

The shipman comparison is not valid, look at the dates of the comments! Sarcasm evidently.

Monday, July 14, 2008 1:30:00 PM  
Anonymous the a&e charge nurse said...

Another disgrace to the medical profession ?
The list seems to grow longer by the hour.

What is happening to the 'creme de la creme'.

Of course, the cognoscenti knew all along that bright middle class kids primed to reproduce formulaic exam techniques would not necessarily produce the best candidates for such a demanding profession - even medical schools are belatedly waking up to this fact.

By the way, is it true that Bacon devised the secretive DNUK, dear, oh dear.

Monday, July 14, 2008 2:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't gloat Charge Nurse as your profession will be next

Monday, July 14, 2008 3:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Careful Charge Nurse. The only reason nurses have been relatively safe from endless public attack is that the government hasn't got round to you yet. If the press started printing as many negative reports about your profession as they have about GPs your halos would slip a bit.

Monday, July 14, 2008 3:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Kittyxxx121 said...

Actually, we're not immune. It's far easier to get struck off by the NMC than it is the GMC. In it's worry that enough nurses weren't being struck off, the NMC moved their burden of proof to the balance of probabilities a couple of years back.

Make sure you're smiling whilst being punched by the patients girls.

Monday, July 14, 2008 4:26:00 PM  
Anonymous the a&e charge nurse said...

What sticks in my throat are the pilot/baggage handler, or monkey/organ grinder metaphors.....they are familiar riffs, anonymous, and many doctors either openly or privately subscribe to these views.

So I'm sorry, if it sounded like I was gloating, but any monkey, sorry, nurse could tell you that academic achievement alone is no protection against a percentage of unpalatable characters like Bacon getting into medical school, once they have attained the appropriate exam results.

Perhaps it wouldn't look so bad if so many doctors were not already tainted by Baconhead, through their association with his secret website ?

And when patients have been stuck in A&E beyond the requisite 4hrs, or are still waiting to be seen, who do you think they complain about ?
[I'll give you a clue, it's not the doctors].

I've got a computer full of gripes and accusations from patients [some justified] so the idea of any further character assassination will be like water of a ducks back, I'm afraid - after all, who else is daft enough to do my job ?

Monday, July 14, 2008 4:29:00 PM  
Blogger Dr John Crippen said...

What sticks in my throat are the pilot/baggage handler, or monkey/organ grinder metaphors.....they are familiar riffs, anonymous, and many doctors either openly or privately subscribe to these views. So I'm sorry, if it sounded like I was gloating, but any monkey, sorry, nurse could tell you that academic achievement alone is no protection against a percentage of unpalatable characters like Bacon getting into medical school, once they have attained the appropriate exam results.Perhaps it wouldn't look so bad if so many doctors were not already tainted by Baconhead, through their association with his secret website ? And when patients have been stuck in A beyond the requisite 4hrs, or are still waiting to be seen, who do you think they complain about ?[I'll give you a clue, it's not the doctors].I've got a computer full of gripes and accusations from patients [some justified] so the idea of any further character assassination will be like water of a ducks back, I'm afraid - after all, who else is daft enough to do my job ?

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I understand your sentiments entirely; remember though that, when I have written in that fashion (and I have as you well know) the anger is directed at a system that allows such inappropriate dumbing down of skills at not at the many excellent nurses within the NHS. And I do it in public, in an open forum and, as you well know, I publish all responses.

As I often say, if you think I am off the wall, you ought to see the vitriol on doctors.net. uk!!

On the general point, academic excellent is no guarantee of integrity or humanity. There are just as many highly intelligent shits as there are stupid ones. Trouble is, highly intelligent shits do more damage!



John

Monday, July 14, 2008 4:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Perhaps it wouldn't look so bad if so many doctors were not already tainted by Baconhead, through their association with his secret website ?"

A website for doctors with secure email, a strong anti-spam filter and a forum. O no!

Why exactly do you find this so repulsive an idea?

Monday, July 14, 2008 7:13:00 PM  
Anonymous the a&e charge nurse said...

Bacon was involved in its inception [hold onto that thought for a moment].

It banned Fishgoth........while suppressing any chance of appeal.

It is secretive [thus depriving a significant population of medical commentators from ever receiving corrective feedback, or alternative points of view] - maybe they are not interested in it ?

Of course free masons and their ilk are also entitled to secret forums - it's just not my kinda bag, that's all.

By the way are you anonymous at 3:39, or anonymous at 3:37, or are you a new anonymous ?

Monday, July 14, 2008 7:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is an 'air your views to the media' forum on the doctors.net.uk site but it's frustratingly ignored by a large number of medical journalists - draw your own conclusions. The site is also regularly viewed by Nu-Lab & GMC. Your metaphors are delightfully
redundant and dated, sorry to disappoint. Must get back to some more rote-learning,
ANON 3.39

Monday, July 14, 2008 10:33:00 PM  
Blogger pieman said...

Just for the record... I was a med student and subsequently a PRHO taught by and helped through fledgeling on calls by Dr Lisa Fook. I have only just found out tonight that she tragically died nearly a year ago following ovarian cancer yet is still listed on Bacons site. This is so distasteful it beggars belief. For the record Lisa Fook was a good doctor and colleague. I have no problem with accountability. I have no problem with criticism. But this sort of crass E version of stocks or public lynchings serves no helpful purpose to either patients or their doctors.

I understand that the owners of this site aim to profit financially from it and that is their prime motivator rather than better patient care and are in fact no longer practising physicians. "Dr" Bacon....you sir are a twat

Monday, July 14, 2008 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous the a&e charge nurse said...

Ha, journalists, NuLab and the GMC...........


What an unholy trinity, ANON 3:39 ☺

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous aedoc said...

DNUK has fora for doctors to discuss psychological difficulties. It has a women's forum where we discuss shoes and what you can see in Hobbs this season. It has a forum for discussing pets, one for cycling and one for handcrafts. There is a fair amount of vitriol on the complementary medicine forum, but it's of the 'show us the evidence' variety. Yes, there may be exasperation with the various other forms of health professional, both traditional and Nulabour-invented, but to be honest, it's not that exciting.

Rather like the freemasons, it's the secret that gives it tha cachet. I bet they spend most of the time discussing sport and the decline in modern standards, not how to assassinate the pope.

Monday, July 21, 2008 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous william said...

i don't feel this is a bad thing, as patients are able to make similar choices with alternative non allopathic medicine, ie the choice to read on thier health condition and choose a treatment to follow. after all doctors have the trite to complain, when it was they who perpetuated the benzodiazepine addiction scandal in the 80s.

Monday, September 01, 2008 3:15:00 AM  
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