Dr Neil Bacon

I have always been uneasy about Doctors.net.uk. I do not visit it often and I rarely read the forums. NHS BLOG DOCTOR articles are sometimes mentioned in the chat rooms and whilst, like any blogger, I am grateful for the increased traffic, I don't usually follow up any comments. It’s a bit ostrich-like, I know. And it means that sometimes I miss the start of important medical stories.
There is nothing like a good bitch over a good pint about matters medical and that is what goes on in the Doctors.net.uk forums. Trouble is, the forums are not as private as members think. I know a lot of medical journalists and, believe me, it is not difficult to get into Doctors.net.uk despite the apparent professional security.
Bitching over a pint is one thing. But some of the serious issues that come up in Doctors.net.uk would be better aired in public. A lot of the comments made are deeply offensive about other doctors, about colleagues – nurse specialists in particular – and about patients. Easy to do that in "private" when no one can answer back. I am outspoken about dumbing down, and the damage that nurse specialists and HCPs are doing to the NHS. Yes, I write pseudonymously, but I write in public about the NHS as I see it. I represent no one but myself and I print, without censorship, all comments I receive, however critical they may be. I am more comfortable doing that in a public forum. If you think I am outspoken about certain issues, you would not believe the vitriol and poison that permeates some of the Doctors.net.uk forums.
Because I do not often visit Doctors.net.uk I am today late onto a very important story which has already been well covered by the Ferret and by the Jobbing Doctor. The story concerns the activities of Dr Neil Bacon who was one of the founders of Doctors.net.uk.

He has just set up some medieval stocks into which he is going to insert the British medical profession.

The idea is simple. Want to slag off your doctor? Send your comments to Neil, and he will print them here. You will remain anonymous. Only the doctor will be named. The site is up and running. Dr Richard Pullinger at the John Radcliffe in Oxford is already rated:
Was really kind and patient when he supervised treatment of a nasty injury. Reassured us and explained everything. (I want great care)Well done, Richard. All good stuff. Wonder why you only got 94% for listening? Other doctors scored 100%. Please do better next time.
How do you submit comments and do doctors mind? Neil Bacon has drawn up some rules:
The internet geeks out there may receall that Dr Neil Bacon became very angry, indeed litigious, a few years ago when a scurrilous writer set up a spoof website with a name similar to Doctors.net.uk. and used the site to make satirical remarks about the staff of Doctors.net.uk. Neil in particular did not like being compared to a "raptor" or a "dipstick". He was vindicated, but do please read the judgement as revealed by Rita (see below). It's a joy:
Well done, Neil. No doubt you will be furious to see that another scurrilous writer has set up another spoof website called I want great bacon
Some of Neil Bacon’s behaviour at Doctors.net.uk was controversial. Readers of the wonderful Fishgoth will recall that Fishgoth was banned from Doctors.net.uk when he pointed out to them, by demonstration, that their site security left much to be desired. He successfully joined three times under the names of Liam Donaldson, Hilary Jones and Evan Harris. You have to laugh. For this “offence” he was banned from the site for six months. Fishgoth has never liked Doctors.net.uk for the following reason:
There are more serious points to be made about Dr Bacon and who better to make them than Rita Pal, the leading British NHS whistleblower.
Will my doctor know I wrote about them?The Ferret and the Jobbing Doctor have already covered this in detail, but there is more, much more to be said. For starters, the comments are all to be anonymous. Why? If you have something worth saying about your doctor in public, why not put your name under it? How can Neil Bacon possibly know that any criticisms made are valid?
All ratings and reviews are anonymous. The only way your doctor will know you wrote about them will be if you include something in the review that identifies you. If you would like your doctor to know what you are writing about them, you can include your name in your review.
What do doctors think of iWantGreatCare?
It varies! A few don’t like it, but far more have enthusiastically welcomed the idea. The whole area of direct patient feedback is new and for some doctors this is very challenging. However all good doctors want to know what their patients think about them so they can improve and continue to build trust and confidence with their patients. Doctors are already using iWantGreatCare to help in this, and are encouraging all their patients to rate their care.
I objectively believe this is damaging to doctors, can't you just drop this whole idea?
Respectfully, no. It is clear from the evidence base that effective communication improves clinical outcomes, improves patient satisfaction, reduces the risk of medical errors and reduces the risk of litigation. The evidence also clearly reports patients can effectively judge doctors' communication skills to this effect. If you are aware of any peer-reviewed evidence that contradicts this summary, please email details to adminservices@iwantgreatcare.org. If you are fixed in your belief that iWantGreatCare is damaging to doctors, please consider that iWantGreatCare is advised by a range of respected doctors and the emerging requirements for revalidation make patient ratings of your care fundamental to the measurement of your work. It is also clear, even with superficial knowledge of medical history, that this is not the first and will certainly not be the last new way of working that is challenging for some doctors.
Look at what is already happening on the site, with this utterly disgraceful ad hominen attack on a doctor who is not able to defend himself. There are always two sides to a story, never more so than when there is a psychiatric problem. This poor doctor cannot defend himself without breaking patient confidentiality. Disgraceful! Fortunately, some of the doctor's colleagues are defending him, and it is not difficult to infer what is probably going on here. Patients with mental illness do not forfeit their right to medical confidentiality, however demanding and pushy their relatives may be.Why is Neil Bacon doing this? Why did Neil Bacon leave medicine? To make a fast buck, maybe. But I wonder if his reason for leaving was anything to do with this? You see, Dr Neil Bacon's web site is not even an original idea. RateMDs.com have been in the business for a long time. Long enough to have rated Dr Neil Bacon. And it was thumbs down. He scores 1.8 out of a possible 5.0 That means he was a pretty crappy doctor, or that is what the people who read the site will think. It's all there on the Internet and I have furled it just in case it mysteriously disappears.
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And what exactly is going on now, Dr Bacon? Some supportive comments were made about this doctor, but now they have disappeared. Without explanation. Why is that, Dr Bacon? Compare what is appearing now, with what was on the site earlier today when I first visted (and furled) it. This morning you were rating this doctor as "good" at 75%. You are now rating him at 0%. That is a career destroyed over Sunday lunch. You can't play with peoples' professional careers like this. You are a disgrace, Dr Bacon.
RateMDs.com looks at Dr Neil BaconMaybe the world of nephrology was saved when Neil decided to be a business man. So, come on Neil, are you suing RateMDs.com or does the cap fit? Do tell.
- Unable to answer simple questions in a timely manner, ridiculous concept of what makes great care.
- Rather disappointing response to questions he was asked, very long delay in getting in touch. Seems not to be sensitive to colleagues concerns
- Rating Dr Neil Bacon
The internet geeks out there may receall that Dr Neil Bacon became very angry, indeed litigious, a few years ago when a scurrilous writer set up a spoof website with a name similar to Doctors.net.uk. and used the site to make satirical remarks about the staff of Doctors.net.uk. Neil in particular did not like being compared to a "raptor" or a "dipstick". He was vindicated, but do please read the judgement as revealed by Rita (see below). It's a joy:
The Complainant is an English company whose primary business is the operation of an internet portal for members of the medical profession. Its principal URL is www.doctors.net.uk, and the URL www.doctors.org.uk also links to the site....
I have been told very little about the Respondent. She is a doctor, and registered the site under the name “KarmaWorks”. Material published on various sites with which she appears to be connected suggests that she is something of thorn in the side of the medical establishment. (Boy, they don't know the half of it)
The Complainant asserts that this is the purpose of the site; I have no doubt that the Respondent believes that the text is “fair criticism”, but in my view, on any objective reading, the descriptions of identified professional individuals as (for example) “infamous”, “dipstick”, “side kick”, “raptor like”, of doubtful fitness to advise parents and “poodle” cannot sensibly be viewed as anything but derogatory at the very least. (Doctors.net.uk v Dr Rita Pal)
Well done, Neil. No doubt you will be furious to see that another scurrilous writer has set up another spoof website called I want great bacon
Welcome to I Want Great BaconThis is satire, Neil. There is no mention of raptors, or dipsticks. Just a bit of fun. Hope you are not going to sue. But I digress. Back to serious matters.
IWantGreatBacon is committed to providing a wonderful service for the members of the public. By rating and reviewing your bacon, you will improve the quality of the bacon for everyone else. You can recommend your bacon to other bacon lovers worldwide. Please use the list of bacons on the right to start rating! (I want great bacon)
Some of Neil Bacon’s behaviour at Doctors.net.uk was controversial. Readers of the wonderful Fishgoth will recall that Fishgoth was banned from Doctors.net.uk when he pointed out to them, by demonstration, that their site security left much to be desired. He successfully joined three times under the names of Liam Donaldson, Hilary Jones and Evan Harris. You have to laugh. For this “offence” he was banned from the site for six months. Fishgoth has never liked Doctors.net.uk for the following reason:
Like many DNUK members, I felt upset that the website had sold member information to the Conservative party, an organisation I deeply loathe. I also felt that when the questions were asked on the fora as to why this information had been sold, there was no official response. To my knowledge, there still hasn't been. I accept that posting the aforementioned photograph was not an acceptable protest in the eyes of those who own the website. (Fishgoth)Finally, Fishgoth demonstrated that Neil Bacon has no sense of humour by posting a clearly “doctored” composite photograph on a Doctors.net.uk forum purporting to depict Neil, dressed in a basque, having sexual intercourse with a Land Rover. Definitely from the “spanker” Molsey school of satire, but you have to laugh. Don’t you? Dr Crippen did.
There are more serious points to be made about Dr Bacon and who better to make them than Rita Pal, the leading British NHS whistleblower.
Let me finish with a quote from The Jobbing Doctor, upon which I cannot improve:The problem with Dr Neil Bacon is this. He thinks everyone likes him…
Rita Pal on “Iwantgreatcare.org”
To say that Neil Bacon is somewhat unloved in the profession is an understatement. He is regarded as a pariah, and this site is thought to be a great opportunity for any cranks, or disaffected whingers to be able to destroy the reputation of any doctor, without any real recourse to comeback.
The Jobbing Doctor (Bacon and Tripe)
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A reader says Iain Dale was on the BBC News channel late last night approving of Bacon's website. Surely not. Did anyone else see him?
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28 Comments:
If you don't watch Scrubs, I thoroughly recommend watching this episode:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Number_One_Doctor
Takes a rather humorous look at 'doctor rating' websites. On a serious note, 'no, no for the love of god no!'
Time to resort to the dictionary of Anglo-Saxon finally?
I saw about this whistleblowing website on BBC News Channel last night. Iain Dale seemed to think it quite agood idea!!
See I have thought for ages a way of rating your doctor would be great. I saw the scrubs episode of figure hell, if I put all this extra effort into patient care and communication that other doctors don't then why not get recognised for it.
But that iwantgreatcare website is horrific. I looked at joining and decided against when i saw one gp had a review giving him 0%. Look him up, his name is Dr Jayantilal Popat. Don't know him myself. But immediately he had 3 reviews giving him 100% by 'colleagues'. They may colleagues. It may be the doctor himself using 3 different accounts. The sheer anonmity on both sides makes it impossible to tell.
And its public domain. people can make scandalous accusations and down right lies about you and there will be little recourse to get it retracted.
I'm not sure this is a particularly good idea, but I do find it quite amusing that you would say "If you have something worth saying about your doctor in public, why not put your name under it?".
You have plenty to say about other people (who you openly name), without signing your name under it. I wonder how much of your other writing is similarly hypocritical.
Star Trek's Dr. McCoy is rated on RateMDs. Should Dr. Who be rated on iwantgreatcare.org even though he is an alien?
It is a truly awful idea, as I have already stated in my blog.
To see how tawdry and unpleasant it is, can I suggest you look at my latest post?
http://thejobbingdoctor.blogspot.com/2008/07/this-is-disgrace.html
Then you would get a feel about why this is so distateful
well laid out Dr C,
if well implemented this kind of website would be a politically correct pretence at doing something of little value,
as it currently is, as an insecure poorly implemented joke, it has the real potential to do a great deal of harm and no potential to do anything good,
Shame on Bacon.
Eventually someone will probably post something that's concretely defamatory, and the doctor concerned will sue him for publishing it, and that'll be the end of that.
In academia, the riposte to 'rate my professor' was 'rate your students'.
'I want great patients' has quite a nice ring to it.
These sites could actually work, if an adequate amount of patients would rate doctors. The odd unfair rating would get buried in the fair ones. Furthermore, the ratings could not be manipulated by doctors.
A system where ratings are only shown when there are at least 20 or so ratings submitted should be created.
I realize it is tougher to create a doctor rating site than for example a movie rating site since inherently there will be less raters. However, if properly planned it could be done.
Such half-baked attempts such as this one, however, create more problems than they solve.
While I don't disagree with the comments above, I wonder where all the outrage was when similar sites were created for students to comment on their tutors at university? After all, if academics are just so many service providers, and the customer (read: student) is always right, then it was just a matter of time before the medical profession went the same way.
On the other hand, if I had been able to find out about the utterly incompetent, rude and dismissive (and quite possibly chemically impaired) specialist member of the medical profession I had the misfortune to consult last month, I might well have opted to see someone else. Of course, that would assume there was more than one member of his specialty within a reasonable distance, so it's probably just as well I didn't know.
I wonder where all the outrage was when similar sites were created for students to comment on their tutors at university?
I'm pretty sure the outrage was there, especially when there was the site to rate high school teachers, it was all over the news. But since NHS Blog Doctor usually covers medical matters I expect that's why this particular site has produced more outrage here!
Since joining DNUK i have been getting spam from the conservative party. I wonder if Fishgoth has a point.
Bacon hasn't worked at Doctors.net for quite some time.
This rather personal attack could be seriously misplaced/misdirected.
"Despite this, the bacon has continued with the project, citing this website as important as the invention of electricity, aviation, computers and of medicine itself."
Satire only the Mash could beat. Brilliant.
Dr Crippen, you should congratulate yourself on your prescience. In your last Grand Rounds you included Peter Zavislak of Medical Pastiche who told us why Dr Nick Riviera is the perfect consumerist-driven physician.
"The model physician behavior exemplified by Dr. Nick would certainly be rewarded with high marks on patient satisfaction websites and surveys. "Dr. Nick healed my skin failure!" and "Dr. Nick gave me whatever medications I needed, no questions asked!" and "I thought I was qualified to determine proper medical care in the doctor-patient relationship, and Dr. Nick proved me right! All doctors should be like this one!""
Doesn't it sound as if Dr Nick and Dr Bacon would be perfect to contribute their non-oppressive guidance to the newly proposed Royal College of Lay People as detailed in the BMJ (scroll down through pdf).
"We are pleased to announce a new royal college, the first for almost three months. The Royal College of Lay People (RCLP) aims to bring together all those who make decisions on health care in the United Kingdom. Opinion polls tell us that the public still believes that such matters should be left to doctors and that quangos are less trustworthy than medical colleges. The RCLP has been founded to correct these misperceptions and invites applications for the following faculties.
Faculty of Campaigners—Sitting on the pavement with a placard is all very well, but you can reshape the NHS more effectively by joining a committee. Preference will be given to those with anecdotes from the last century about substandard care received by them or a member of their extended family. Please be assured that no professional will challenge your views."
Brilliant article Dr C.
Think you should set up a website called "iwantbetterpoliticians" rate you local MP!
Would allow the public to feedback directly to the Members of the House their tales of woe or otherwise. I know the press kind of do this anyway but we all know how biased they are.
Would produce comments such as "my MP gets £300k a year in allowances for a second home in London and to pay family members to answer the phone. that means he's earning more than the £250k i receive as a GP!"
Maybe i'll have to become a euroMP instead!
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