Sunday, August 23, 2009

Fruit and Nuts



Steve Ford, of Nursing Times, advises me that the health commissars in Essex have earmarked another large wedge of taxpayers’ money to provide salaries and tee-shirts for a group of bright young things to go out into the community to tell people to stop smoking, to stop drinking and to start eating bananas. The Essex commissars intend to "ensure that all parts of the community are reached".

Excellent. This gives an opportunity for Dr Crippen to announce another NHS BLOG DOCTOR competition. Please write in not more than 800 words an account of the first meeting between one of these bright young things and either the Filthy Smoker or Mr & Mrs Kitchen. The competition is open to all, including the Filthy Smoker and the Kitchens

The Filthy Smoker has of course been holding the fort for the DK who, as aficionados will know, has just returned from his foreign nuptials and so is now ensconced in connubial bliss. Congratulations to both the Kitchens. Will marriage have a calming influence on the DK? Will his righteous indignation be tempered by a surfeit of uxorious pleasure? Not if his affectionate portrait of Alan Johnson is anything to go by.

Have a banana.

The Essex stuff is all plausible crap. Hard to criticise because you fall foul of the Vera Lynn syndrome. (Will someone please tell poor old Vera where Afghanistan is and why we are fighting out there?). Look at the Essex PCT website. It's the "healthy young thing" approach. "It's never too late to change" says Essex PCT. Trouble is, for most of people who look at PCT websites, it is too late to change. Please understand this. Most people have never heard of PCTs. They only hear of them when they start to research the failings in their health care. Why they are not getting the most modern treatment for their macular degeneration. Why they can no longer see a doctor about their cancer, unless they go privately. Why only private patients are getting Tarceva (see "A tale of two cancers"). Don't get lung cancer.

Have a banana.

It's not as easy at that. Lung cancer has been in the news recently because some arsy oncologist in Yorkshire has said that poor people have a worse prognisis from lung cancer because GPs do not bother to do Chest X-Rays on them.

All lung cancer patients in the UK are let down by the NHS. Because, having made the diagnosis, most chest physicians lose interest and pass the parcel. There are not enough oncologists who are interested in lung cancer and what interest there is is often confined to the private patients. I have just had an NHS patient with disseminated lung cancer who was kept on a medical ward in a DGH for six weeks with intractable bone pain. During that six weeks the consultant did not visit him once. He would have been better at home or in the hospice. At least his pain would have been properly controlled. When he did come home, I asked him if he wanted to see the Macmillan nurses at home. He said, "Oh! Please God, no. She was all over me. She kept stroking me."

Have a banana.

I've got news for arsy oncologist. Poor people get worse medical care than rich people. It's a universal truth throughout the world. If you are a chronically unemployed manual worker in late middle-age who has chain smoked for thirty years, you do not look at PCT websites and decide to go out and buy a banana. You do not know what the PCT is. You do not go to the doctor if you can possible avoid it and, when you do, you probably ignore the advice. Finally, when your lung cancer is diagnosed, the chest physician falls asleep with boredom. There is a long delay before you get the radiotherapy or chemotherapy, and your care is swiftly delegated to quacktitioners and hand-patters. You may well not get Tarceva. Depends where you live.

Have a banana.

It's a resource issue. We need more chest oncologists. We need more radiotherapy kit. We need more radiographers. We don't need to waste money on swine flu hysteria (see Nothern Doc's hysterical take on swine flu) Most of all, we don't need a bunch of bananas.

The DK and the Filthy Smoker become angry about the Essex commissar's approach because it is patronising and intrusive. I agree with them. But most of all, it is a waste of money. The hospital is on fire, burning to the ground. Why is no one doing anything? Where are the fire-fighters? They are in the local school lecturing children on the dangers of matches.

Have another banana.

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25 Comments:

Anonymous dearieme said...

Some day you must tell us exactly what the evidence is that we should eat 5 a day, doc. Fruit & Veg, I mean, not bananas.

Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:11:00 PM  
Blogger Pogo said...

I don't suppose that someone as eminently sensible as the doc would even bother to try - seeing as there's no evidence whatsoever.

Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous LoisLane said...

God Dr Crippen, I love you.

Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:59:00 PM  
Blogger No One said...

in the animal farm nhs only the lord mandys of this world get half decent care out of the nhs

Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My GP seems to have a passion for weighing me. In the last six months, he's weighed me himself and he's got a nurse to weigh me, as part of his "deadly trio" screening. I noticed that the nurse ticked a box on the computer saying that she'd given me dietary advice. I thought of pointing out to her that she'd done nothing of the sort, but decided that I didn't want to run the risk of her actually giving me some dietary advice. The last time I had dietary advice from a practice nurse, it was dodgy to say the least.

Still, I bet if there's a box to tick saying they've given me dietary advice, there's a bonus in it somewhere.

Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you say "poor people", do you mean people who do not have much money, or do you mean people who do not have much education? Or perhaps both? I think I have had a reasonable education (good non-British school, BSc from respectable university) but owing to various circumstances now live in an English council house with not much money. I have never quite worked out where to place myself in the British pecking order, and I'm not sure where my GP or any hospital doctor I saw might rank me :)

Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:14:00 PM  
Anonymous the a&e charge nurse said...

66% of lung cancers are diagnosed late - perhaps this is why the oncologist was suggesting that anything which increases the likelihood of earlier detection (such as a chest x/ray) is to be welcomed.

Fact is advanced lung cancer is very difficult to treat. The best hope lies with picking it up earlier (if possible) - for these reasons our best hope lies with our GPs.
8 out of 10 diagnosed with lung cancer are 60+ and 90+% will be smokers (yes, I do realise this description applies to a huge patient group).

On the plus side rates of lung cancer have fallen very significantly since the 70s (45% according to Cancer Research UK) due to changes in smoking patterns.

Breast cancer on the other hand is increasing at a very scary rate.
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/lung/

Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:39:00 PM  
Blogger Dr John Crippen said...

When you say "poor people", do you mean people who do not have much money, or do you mean people who do not have much education? Or perhaps both? I think I have had a reasonable education (good non-British school, BSc from respectable university) but owing to various circumstances now live in an English council house with not much money. I have never quite worked out where to place myself in the British pecking order, and I'm not sure where my GP or any hospital doctor I saw might rank me :)

Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:14:00 PM

++++

Strong point, and a reminder of the danger of generalisations. But, sadly, in terms of health care there is an underclass of people who do not know how to access it and do not know how to push for it. Council houses have got nothing to do with it.

It should not be like this but, sadly, it is.


John

Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:43:00 PM  
Anonymous MarkUK said...

I asked my GP for advice on losing weight - I REALLY need to.

He recommended the Atkins diet! Not only that, but he also advised Orlistat.

Now, how you can go on the Atkins diet without consuming more than 15g of fat per meal?

Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:55:00 PM  
Anonymous curious cat said...

Spending money on this sort of stuff is fine if all the important things ( radiologists etc etc ) have been put in place. I liken it to having a house. A conservatory is lovely to have, but not when you really need to spend the money on a leaking roof!

Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous UK dietitian said...

MarkUK said...

I asked my GP for advice on losing weight - I REALLY need to.

He recommended the Atkins diet! Not only that, but he also advised Orlistat.

Ha Ha

A case of two wrongs making a right.

Atkins initiation phase = 20-30g carb or less daily. High protein (some impact on satiety, nothing on willpower to refuse that tub of double cream), plus liberal fat.

if you manage to boost your fat then Orlistat will help you lose 1/3 the calories down the loo.

Alternatively you could join WW online for men, or the Times diet website. Independent recommendation.

Other commentators may be interested to see the epidemiology work from EPIC and the correlation of eating more plant stuff here:
http://www.srl.cam.ac.uk/epic/
- although genetics/ +ve family history, lack of exercise and living in the UK with its lower sunlight intensity can't be ignored when determining risk.

btw, I loathe this 'tick box' community professional. Usually baby-break nurses, dodgy course nutritIONistas or school PTA fixers who think they can 'do' healthy eating by pushing fruit. I always like to ask them what to give a 15yo ruggerbugger who's as lean as a whippet, exercises a-plenty and needs about 4000kcal just to keep up with the growth spurt. Their 'pretend-professional' little brains can't think beyond the 'a 50kcal apple - with skin - every two hours'. The answer is apple crumble, use mono-sat marg, add some oats to the flour crumble topping. Serve with semi-skimmed milk custard. sugar - enjoy. Ticks calcium, protein, soluble fibre, wholegrain, fruit portion all in one serving. Yum

Its the only time in your life when 4000kcal goes nowhere apparent- and certainly not around your waist. Enjoy.

Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:28:00 PM  
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Monday, August 24, 2009 7:02:00 AM  
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Monday, August 24, 2009 9:26:00 AM  
Anonymous blackdog said...

Deareime,
There isn't any evidence at all for 5 a day, just a half arsed hypothesis based on 'bad science'.
Fat makes you thin from Banting to Gary Taubes. It's all a plot to keep the dieticians trying to get people thin without achieving anything so they can keep thier jobs.Some of them are well meaning but deluded, they should do the research before telling patients what to do.

Monday, August 24, 2009 11:29:00 AM  
Blogger Crazy Nurse said...

"some arsy oncologist in Yorkshire has said that poor people have a worse prognisis from lung cancer because GPs do not bother to do Chest X-Rays on them.

All lung cancer patients in the UK are let down by the NHS. Because, having made the diagnosis, most chest physicians lose interest and pass the parcel. There are not enough oncologists who are interested in lung cancer and what interest there is is often confined to the private patients"

How depressing. There are no words.

Monday, August 24, 2009 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger FS said...

I won't sully this family-friendly blog with a detailed imagining of what would happen in an encounter between myself and one of these people. Suffice it to say that it would involve a state-funded banana being forcefully inserted into a state-funded do-gooder.

Monday, August 24, 2009 1:08:00 PM  
Blogger Dino-nurse said...

Depressing stuff, doc.
We often see patients on ITU with advanced lung cancer that has only just been diagnosed and they are given very little hope. They are given a DNAR and shipped back to medicine. Last chap that we had died with us, without ever seeing an oncologist.
Having said that, 10 years ago they wouldn't even have found a bed on an ITU.

Monday, August 24, 2009 1:19:00 PM  
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In view of the fact that narcotics can be addictive, they should only be prescribed when no other alternative is available and should only be taken as directed by your doctor. Most often, patients are required to consent to adhere to certain rules regarding the use of their prescription listed in a "Narcotic Agreement" between the patient and physician. Often, violation of this contract, especially selling, sharing, or trading the medication, attempting to obtain duplicate pain medication prescriptions from different physicians, and attempting to have the medication refilled early, at night, or on the weekend, to mention a few, would result in the patient's discharge from the practice.
So, take responsibility for your actions and know all your treatment options. Narcotics are rarely your sole savior.

Monday, August 24, 2009 4:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work alongside vast numbers of fat young women who gobble fruit endlessly. I am sick to death of peole munching apples in my ear. Now I know at least where this comes from. Doesnt seem to make them any thinner. Perhaps that is due to the packets of crisps they eat as well.

Appropos the gap between rich and poor healthcare, I found when I lived in a poorer rural area a few miles from the well off small city I live in now I received typical poor person's GP and dental care. Casual, dismissive, and with built in assumption that I wouldnt want to spend any money to save my teeth. Now, 5 miles away I receive excellent GP and dental services because the area is full of articulate fussy middle class types. And I pay very little more for my dental care than I did before.

Monday, August 24, 2009 6:20:00 PM  
Blogger No One said...

basildon festival at gloucester park has had NHS staff handing out free fruit as prizes in various sill summer fayre games for the last what 3 or 4 years at least

never really thought about it until now, but you would have thought the NHS had more compelling things to do with its man or person time

not that I went myself you understand, just heard about it, ha ha

Monday, August 24, 2009 8:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor people get worse medical care than rich people. It's a universal truth throughout the world.

Gee, Dr. Crippen, that's not what I hear in the colonies. If a poor person has a worse outcome than one well-to-do, it's because of the evil capitalist American healthcare system.

.............arf

Monday, August 24, 2009 9:16:00 PM  
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Anonymous Health Advocate said...

You mean to say that banana is a solution for the smokers?Great an easily available fruit that is...

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You mean to say that banana is a solution for the smokers?Great an easily available fruit that is..."

Yes you will find them in the fruit and veg section of any supermarket... It's only the most popular fruit in the country(apparently).

Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:56:00 PM  

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